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hoshunma 2009-3-4 12:13 PM

新仔 寫PROGRAM 問題

大家通常用咩寫C++

仲有衣家通常寫咩PROGRAM可以搵到食/出路係大D架?

hkma07 2009-3-4 01:37 PM

Visual Studio

寫咩PROGRAM都可以搵到食,電腦range太wide, 變得太快,今日php 下年 flash ,但點都要有oop 既 idea 比較好

qweefbb 2009-3-4 06:58 PM

而家寫program點都唔夠寫網頁出路多,又幾人又會明programmer既辛苦...:smile_39:

kit_08 2009-3-4 07:40 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]qweefbb[/i] 於 2009-3-4 06:58 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=193718228&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
而家寫program點都唔夠寫網頁出路多,又幾人又會明programmer既辛苦...:smile_39: [/quote]


梗係啦, web programming, 方便, 唔使 user install 任何野, 就咁 click click click 就用到。任何平台都可用到, 同一效果...
1 個 web program vs 所有 user, 所有 platform.

desktop 又要 install, d 人又唔知你個 program 有無 virus (雖然 web program 可能有 virus, 但 d 人覺得網頁破壞性比 desktop 弱)
又無 network feel ... 永遠好似得自己用緊個 program 咁

qweefbb 2009-3-4 08:56 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]kit_08[/i] 於 2009-3-4 07:40 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=193722833&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]梗係啦, web programming, 方便, 唔使 user install 任何野, 就咁 click click click 就用到。任何平台都可用到, 同一效果... 1 個 web program vs 所有 user, 所有 platform.desktop 又要 install, d 人 ... [/quote]
d人又有冇諗過,點解佢地可以咁輕易就寫到個webpage出尼?
咪又係多得programmer,之前睇報紙話IT入面起薪點最高係網頁編寫員,最低係系統工程師同programmer。
唉...:smile_45:

comethkt 2009-3-5 12:07 PM

咁網頁編寫又要學乜?

java / script? SQL MYSQL, php, xml, vb?

c/c++ no use?

qweefbb 2009-3-5 04:58 PM

目標係學AJAX,原因好簡單,因為網頁都傾向呢個 eg:facebook, google map
之於要AJAX,之前要學一推野html, java, xml...
比心機la!

hoshunma 2009-3-5 06:29 PM

即係大家都SUGGEST新仔要學而且要搵食既就學D WEB PROGRAMMING??

hkma07 2009-3-6 12:52 PM

Since need to type alot this time, so I use full eng instead, more convenient to me :L

I am a programmer but working as web designer and developer. As I know in this industry, people are trying to use web application to replace the 20  year old java and C and vb programs. This is because it is easier to make immediate changes to web app than desktop app. The trend is going to use framework, web app, ajax, and flash, because they looks better.

However, don't think that going to web is easier. It is easy to  make a simple informational webpage. But it finally gets harder when it goes complicated. Those web msn, web instant yahoo, [url]http://www.gucci.com/[/url], they use advance technique such as OOP.

Besides, some people misunderstand the web. Some language such as JSP need JAVA to run backend database. Banks still use C/C++. Big company need a million to migrate from old language to new web technology. It is not that easy to replace those old stuff with new one. And I did a tic tac toe in javascript, it is 10 times slower than using JAVA and C. Thus, the benefit of web is that it is faster to implement it, that's it.

I agree that web programming is the trend to go to. But you need to compete to others since it is too easy to learn as beginner. My suggestion is going to Flash, less people know it.

hoshunma 2009-3-6 05:10 PM

恕小弟才疏學淺...
flash可以做得D乜...
有D咩過人之處...

p.s. 大家對ajax又點睇?

qweefbb 2009-3-6 10:31 PM

flash可以做到好多野Youtube, Yahoo!... 基本冇乜網站唔用Flash
我認為AJAX至少係呢幾年大部分網頁既發展方向(減少Server負擔),但係好快會被其他技術取代,
應該學定一D基本program技巧,到第時有第二d新語言,有program低會掌握得快D。

cwilliam 2009-3-6 11:27 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]qweefbb[/i] 於 2009-3-6 10:31 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=194014429&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
flash可以做到好多野Youtube, Yahoo!... 基本冇乜網站唔用Flash
我認為AJAX至少係呢幾年大部分網頁既發展方向(減少Server負擔),但係好快會被其他技術取代,
應該學定一D基本program技巧,到第時有第二d新語言,有 ... [/quote]

有呀 google, gmail 都無用flash的 哈~

hkma07 2009-3-7 01:21 AM

animation 好過用 javascript lor, JS animation 有時幾慢。
仲有係一個鐘做既js animation 用 flash 30分鐘內一定做到。
依家flash仲係用向banner同 ad方向,不過有D high class 既店用flash做成個site。
但因為seo 唔係好岩flash,所以唔太popular。

我都好認同呢位brother講:
"我認為AJAX至少係呢幾年大部分網頁既發展方向(減少Server負擔),但係好快會被其他技術取代,
應該學定一D基本program技巧,到第時有第二d新語言,有 ... "

電車男MK-II 2009-3-7 03:13 PM

咁將來會取代現有o既乜差php, java, sql, aas, ajax, xml, 又係乜野呢?

睇見 d 見工要求都暈o左響度...

hkma07 2009-3-7 03:45 PM

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你向monitor前見到既係html,js,同css。好似呢個forum咁,你打回覆係由server side language(php/jsp)做process,send去下一頁。之後sql會令你打既野save向database入面。

xml 可以當database 用,同text file一樣都係一個文字檔,只不過入面有一定format而已。

facebook用好多ajax。當你見到全頁有一部分load左d野出黎但全個page無reload,咁多數都係ajax。youtube都有用。

至於aas,我都唔知呀,我google見好似係張certificate黎呱。。。

cwilliam 2009-3-7 06:04 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]qweefbb[/i] 於 2009-3-6 10:31 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=194014429&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
flash可以做到好多野Youtube, Yahoo!... 基本冇乜網站唔用Flash
我認為AJAX至少係呢幾年大部分網頁既發展方向(減少Server負擔),但係好快會被其他技術取代,
應該學定一D基本program技巧,到第時有第二d新語言,有 ... [/quote]

AJAX可以令web page好似desktop application, 唔駛下下refresh browser
何以見得ajax好快會被其他技術取代?

qweefbb 2009-3-7 09:58 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]cwilliam[/i] 於 2009-3-7 06:04 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=194108987&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]AJAX可以令web page好似desktop application, 唔駛下下refresh browser何以見得ajax好快會被其他技術取代? [/quote]
而家發展步伐咁快,前幾年仲話係flash,而家flash咪ad.用多。

我記得呀sir講過database係大學讀computer要讀成年都係database,pure maths比落下去叫易。

cwilliam 2009-3-7 10:17 PM

其實覺得flash屬於d fancy野
整靚個gui
唔用佢可以有第二d野代替
但ajax而家有咩可代替佢呢?

database呢d concept野相信是必需品...

kit_08 2009-3-8 04:58 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]hkma07[/i] 於 2009-3-6 12:52 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=193947554&ptid=9197780][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I am a programmer but working as web designer and developer. As I know in this industry, people are trying to use web application to replace the 20  year old java and C and vb programs. This is [color=magenta]because it is easier to make immediate changes[/color] to web app than desktop app. The trend is going to use framework, web app, ajax, and flash, because they looks better.
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呢點我認為最關鍵!

user 要記o既, 只係一樣野, 就係個 URL 網址 , 其他野唔關佢事, 亦唔洗佢理
web application 發佈容易, 只要個 user 有 bookmark 你個 URL 就 ok

desktop 改少少野都要 install 過, 即使只係 patch , user 都要做多一步

web 最大優勢係 update 快! user hassle free

hoshunma 2009-3-8 02:16 PM

哦 即係最緊要打好個底

jagon 2009-3-8 06:10 PM

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Google developed GWT(Google Web Toolkit) which could be a replacement of Ajax, Ajax is not handy coz the JS code is not easy to maintain and debug. and when needs to support multi-broswers(IE, Firefox, Safari...). Pure Ajax becomes nontrivial. GWT use Java code to generate HTML JS code, so that Developers do not need bothering in JS code. and Adobe Flex is also an option other than Ajax. Flex + J2EE now has become a very popular combination.

although several Ajax lib has been developed. But Pure JS ajax implementation is not gonna go far.

cwilliam 2009-3-8 06:52 PM

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It's just a tool for conversion. Finally the end products are still JS and html, etc... which are the fundamentals of WWW. To fine tune the coding, JS knowledge is necessary.

hkma07 2009-3-9 11:12 AM

JS is advancing to JS 2.0 with Object Oriented technique.
More OOJS appears on web now.
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