查看完整版本 : 各位大佬 如果想讀/考ccie, 邊間好, 想一take過, 冇乜錢~~~~~

mephistsiu 2009-7-13 08:04 PM

各位大佬 如果想讀/考ccie, 邊間好, 想一take過, 冇乜錢~~~~~

同埋考到大約幾錢呀? 唔該晒各位大佬./

mushroom1024 2009-7-13 08:19 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mephistsiu[/i] 於 2009-7-13 08:04 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=212716931&ptid=10119207][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
同埋考到大約幾錢呀? 唔該晒各位大佬./ [/quote]

Written exam around HK$2000
Lab exam around HK$10000

I think CCIE course offered at different school will help to polish your lab exam skill instead of teach you everything for the exam.

You should expect to spend a lot of time on reading a lot of books, the cisco doc CD. And invest around 400hours on complex lab scenerio (You need to invest a lot of time on standone config. also).  Make sure you are available and willing to invest that amount of time on preparing.

You should only take those course offered at school after you have achieved a specific level of skill, otherwise you are wasting your money.  

And since you need to do a lot of practice, you may need to get at least 2 3560 swtiches and gns so that you can practice at your own time.  Otherwise, renting online lab will also cost you a lot of money.

i think People taking the CCIE exam are expected to be able to configure and solve problem without too much outside help, so taking couse shoud be seen as minor help, you need to learn and explore most of the thing by yourself.

good luck

mephistsiu 2009-7-13 08:25 PM

O....多謝呢位大佬, 咁即係公司冇cisco, 咁就冇幾會pass? 因為好想轉行, 咁出面sysxxxxx果d 3皮野果d course掂唔掂架? 如果掂我訓身去讀麻. thx

mushroom1024 2009-7-13 08:47 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mephistsiu[/i] 於 2009-7-13 08:25 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=212719612&ptid=10119207][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
O....多謝呢位大佬, 咁即係公司冇cisco, 咁就冇幾會pass? 因為好想轉行, 咁出面sysxxxxx果d 3皮野果d course掂唔掂架? 如果掂我訓身去讀麻. thx [/quote]

Instead, I think should try to read those CCIE books first to see if you can handle it. Then take the CCIE written to see if you can pass without braindump.

After that, get 2 real switches and simulator to see if you can handle some standalone technology scenerio. If ok, try to do more complex lab scenerio.

If you find reading those books is hard for you, you had better give up instead of wasting money on those CCIE course.  I think those course only teach you the technique and hints so that you can pass the lab exam easier, it is not going to make you from a dummy into a CCIE.

Only after you pass the above 2 steps, you may then consider to take those ccie school course.

ie those course is NOT CCIE for dummy. Whether it is suitable for you depends on your current skill level and knowledge on the material.

For your reference, here is the reading list for R&S
[url=https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4601]https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-4601[/url]

And cisco has recently updated their lab exam so that you need to answer 5 core knowledge questions before beginning the practice portion of lab exam. You need to pass the core knowledge questions in order to pass the lab. This makes you need to really under the theory behind the technology, so you really need to read those books to guarantee you can pass the lab.

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mephistsiu 2009-7-14 12:17 AM

真係多謝mushroom 大佬指教, 我先cc books, 有唔明再上黎, 非常感激. 謝.

svenus 2009-7-14 08:29 AM

公司無亦唔一定讀唔到考唔到。
以下係小弟當年2001年既經驗:

公司唔乜點用Cisco但係都係想考,於是個個月人工拎左一半黎上網 bid router / switch;當時 26XX 已經係頂級,成個 lab 10 隻 router 自己用左大約10萬買左8隻 25 仔,兩隻 26 仔加一隻 Cat5K,仲有當年要考的 39XX token ring switch..... 死鋤爛鋤 lab 鋤左半年,期間轉左一間比較大既公司做 pre-sales, 多左接觸 Cisco 既機會.

第一次考 lab,仲係兩日的..... 磨到去第二日朝早,一堆 non-IP 實在唔係太熟... 瓜左。
跟手發生 911 事件,當時係2001年,由3月考完 written 到9月足足半年時間,基本上一放工就係做 5-6 個鐘 lab 左試右試,weekend 係做足一整日. 因為有 911 事件,突然間10月有位考,不過時值 Cisco 改 CCIE format 轉做考一日,慶幸唔使理兩日中間果晚訓唔著既問題喇. 第一次衰在唔熟 non-IP,一個月內狂煲.... 果然第二次相隔一個月後再考,返到黎香港果晚一 check email...... "Congratulations!" ... 跟住有4個數字,然後係... 無乜大感覺,叫做完成左一個任務咁解。

所以呢,你問我我覺得上堂係輔助,最主要都係你要 understand 內容同埋夠熟。熟練係要過到 CCIE 最大既一個要訣。你先睇書先吧.... 到你讀到差唔多能力自然你會有其他野識問,到時再上黎問。

另外,考 CCIE 不要諗住一 take 過;有一 take 過既念頭係好,有咁既衝勁係 o岩,但係呢個試,點都有少少運氣成份。舊年年尾我考第三個 CCIE 時,因為已經熟晒大約玩法,諗住真係有機會一 take 過因為都好熟.... 不過唯一唔熟就係考場同埋考官都係新既。就係咁o岩得咁橋,響萬事十足既情況之下,竟然 25 題 4 分既問題,我錯左 6 條,剛剛過唔到。事後摷返,起碼有兩條如果我去花 10 - 15 分鐘去睇睇 docs 就自然唔會錯。世事就係咁,所以第三個我又係要 2nd take先過。不過呢世人,我又唔係未試過一 take 攪掂的;只係個 vendor 唔係 Cisco 係 J 字頭. :smile_44:

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mushroom1024 2009-7-14 11:05 AM

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Svenus, is your 2nd and 3rd CCIE Security and Service provider??

It must have cost you a lot of time and money.  

I also need to tried 2 times to pass my R&S lab exam at 2004.
Are you going to get your 4th CCIE ? :P

svenus 2009-7-14 04:52 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mushroom1024[/i] 於 2009-7-14 11:05 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=212798577&ptid=10119207][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Svenus, is your 2nd and 3rd CCIE Security and Service provider??

It must have cost you a lot of time and money.  

I also need to tried 2 times to pass my R&S lab exam at 2004.
Are you going to  ... [/quote]


Bingo!  :smile_o12:
不過第2同第3個洗費少好多.... 全部用晒 sim 加公司資源, 又有底, 讀起上黎輕鬆d, 考試又可以唔使自己磅水.  :smile_o05:
第4個,本來都有股衝勁去,我公司有另外一個 triple CCIE 佢係 R&S + voice + storage,佢叫我考 storage 先因為
係佢覺得咁多個裡頭最易的.  不過自己個 role 慢慢轉做 consultant,我會 focus 去考 CCDE 先。今年2月去過倫敦考第一次既 lab,過唔到不過有晒全盤計劃,今年八月果個我報唔切滿左位,等下一轉再試下~

其實我仲有副修 JNCXX..... 手上有 JNCIP-M, 一日未攪掂個 JNCIE 好似一日都唔心息咁.... 我諗我可能考埋 CCDE or 再高多級剛發佈既 Certified Architect 之後,再加多個 JNCIE 我就會停喇... 始終慢慢唔需要掂咁 technical 上手,考晒全餐會無時間陪屋企人.....

mephistsiu 2009-7-14 07:57 PM

多謝svenu兄指教, 不過10萬呢個數, 好似都幾驚人喎~~~~
照svenu兄睇, j仔d 試會唔會易d 架? 同埋, 真係好想一次win, 因為真係付出唔到兩次錢........:smile_13:

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svenus 2009-7-14 08:02 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mephistsiu[/i] 於 2009-7-14 07:57 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=212873214&ptid=10119207][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
多謝svenu兄指教, 不過10萬呢個數, 好似都幾驚人喎~~~~
照svenu兄睇, j仔d 試會唔會易d 架? [/quote]

當年未有 sim,得呢個方法係自修..... 不過後尾我全套賣返出去都賣到9萬左右所以又唔係真係咁驚人.
當係人地 investment 炒股我就 invest 響自己既 career.

J 仔試, 千祈唔好諗易考, JNCIS-M 你唔讀braindump的話,要求你了解 routing 既程度足以等同 CCIE-R 兼有過之而無不及。我唔講 switching 因為佢無考關於 switching 既野的,不在佢 -M/T 系列。不過呢,J 仔暫時強項都係 service provider 既 network,我覺得你好似我咁會做 SP core 既先考慮,否則香港黎講識 C 點都容易生存過齌識 J. 當然兩邊都 master 左的話,你都會幾勁的,基本都唔再需要呢d cert,齌講你都可以講到好 pro。當然如果你剩係想睇書學野的,JNCIS-M / JNCIS-ER 裡頭有唔少野都同 C 共通的,唯獨你會少左 switching 呢部份。

而家 J 仔黎講開始多少少料,亦有方法搵到d 硬件可以做 lab,睇下你自己想點發展啦.  所以,而家考呢d試既我覺得幸福好多~ 除左 CCIE Voice 係一個好好好好例外既例子。

書,有幾本都無可避免既天書你一定要睇:TCP/IP Routing Vol 1 + 2,Internet Routing Architecture,LAN Switching。由零到睇明晒呢幾本野我估除左天才之外都要花返唔少時間,睇睇你吸收到幾多先啦~

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mephistsiu 2009-7-15 08:23 PM

其實我都唔係由0開始架, 我都裝好多wifi ROUTER架, 不過都係家用果d, 全部細雞野. wireshark 都幾熟下架.

我想再問下兩位大佬, ccie 張cert會唔會過期架? ccna好似3年要黎過, 同埋佢新出左個 ccie wireless, 會唔會吃香d?  我諗住新出應該少人有, 諗住用佢做目標, 同埋自己都裝好多wifi router, 應該熟d, 可能易考d.

thx 晒先~~~

mushroom1024 2009-7-15 09:16 PM

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You need to renew your ccie every 2 years by taking any one of the CCIE writtern exam.

I think CCIE wireless is quite new, so not much resource available to help you to prepare for CCIE. And the CCIE wireless not only require you to configure some wireless router/access point, but also configure the wireless LAN controller, and need to configure it to intergate with a wired network like switch and routers, and do wireless security. So, it is not as easy as you think.

Actually, I think any CCIE track is difficult.  But after you get your first CCIE, it will be much easier to get your 2nd , 3rd CCIE since you already know the common principle.

And it is hard and expensive to get the required hardware for practing for the wireless lab exam since there are no simulator for hardware like :

Lab Equipment
Cisco Wireless Access Points:
Cisco Aironet 1240AG Series (Lightweight and Autonomous version)

Cisco Aironet 1250AG Series

Cisco Wireless LAN Controllers:
Cisco 4400 Series
Cisco 2100 Series

Cisco Catalayst 6500 Series Wireless Services Module (WiSM)

Cisco Wireless Location Appliance:
Cisco 2700 Series Wireless Location Appliance

Cisco Aironet Wireless LAN Client Adapters:
Cisco Aironet 802.11A/B/G Wireless PCI Adapter

Cisco Wireless Phones:
Cisco Unified Wireless IP Phone 7921G

Cisco Catalyst Switches:
Cisco Catalyst 3560-E Series Switches
Cisco Catalyst 2960 Series Switches
Cisco Catalyst 6500-E Series Switches
Cisco Secure Access Control Server for Windows (ACS)
Cisco Wireless Control System (WCS)

By the way, what is you networking background?

Did you have CCNA, CCNP, CCNA wireless etc??
If you have got none of them, you had better start from CCNA first (Of couse no braindump), so that you can see if you are able to handle the basic stuff and difficulty before you jump directly into CCIE.

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svenus 2009-7-15 11:51 PM

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非常贊成。Cisco Wireless 唔係一般家用 wireless 咁簡單的,去 [url=http://www.cisco.com/go/ccie]http://www.cisco.com/go/ccie[/url] , wireless 個 track 望下佢個 blueprint 就知考既係有一堆 enterprise wireless related 既野。

不如樓主你 share 下你自己 background,想 career path 點走....睇下大家有冇意見畀到你?

lightcable 2009-7-16 04:17 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mephistsiu[/i] 於 2009-7-15 08:23 PM 發表 [url=http://www30.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=213037799&ptid=10119207][img]http://www30.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
其實我都唔係由0開始架, 我都裝好多wifi ROUTER架, 不過都係家用果d, 全部細雞野. wireshark 都幾熟下架.

我想再問下兩位大佬, ccie 張cert會唔會過期架? ccna好似3年要黎過, 同埋佢新出左個 ccie wireless, 會唔 ... [/quote]

According to this link: [url=http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html]http://www.cisco.com/web/learnin ... cies/worldwide.html[/url], there are 6 CCIE-Wireless world-wide. In HK, there are 254 CCIE. That said, this number may not reflect the real number because some CCIE working in HK got their cert somewhere else.

I don't know what is the CCIE market value in HK. Somebody says there is still demand of it; some says the opposite. Here in the US, CCIE can still find a decent job, but people won't see you like God anymore. You need to plan for your career and know what you want to do for the next 10 years.

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mephistsiu 2009-7-16 06:36 AM

各位大佬, 其實我都做左好多年野, network admin, programmer, desktop support, installation, 乜都做, windows, linux 乜都攪, 不過全部都唔專業, 全部pc level野, 講真pc level黎黎去去都係果d, network 都冇可能用token ring.

其實我都唔知有乜carrier path, 一路都想入d比較大d既公司, 可以做到退休果d就最好啦, 做細公司好危險, 隨時習埋, 又隨時搵個o岩o岩畢業既跟你幾個月, 之後抄埋你都得, 你地都知而家d公司幾咁無良架啦, 老闆就萛搵到錢, 都仲係會諗點樣可以比少d下面, 家庭完全冇保障, 讀個ccie其實係想用張cert入間大d既公司先, 再睇下公司要乜野就讀乜野, 入到d 大既law 公司呀, 就最正~~~~~

再多謝幾位大佬提供資料~~

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heungwing 2009-7-17 03:37 PM

ccie R&S 10月中轉v4.0,係報名學既話,過多一排先好喎~

ppshk 2009-7-19 09:45 PM

Any suggestion for minimum home lab Cisco equipment for practising configuration at home?

lightcable 2009-7-20 03:05 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mephistsiu[/i] 於 2009-7-16 06:36 AM 發表 [url=http://www29.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=213101479&ptid=10119207][img]http://www29.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
各位大佬, 其實我都做左好多年野, network admin, programmer, desktop support, installation, 乜都做, windows, linux 乜都攪, 不過全部都唔專業, 全部pc level野, 講真pc level黎黎去去都係果d, network 都冇可能 ... [/quote]

To survive in future, we need to be forward thinkers. Cisco is great company, no question asked. BUT, Cisco is getting tremendous pressure from other competitors such as Huawei. Huawei has yet to prove that they are industry innovator, but they are good at catching from behind. They wait for others to spend millions for innovations. Once they see the market, they put few thousand people to build the products and sell them 1/10th of the price of what Cisco sells. So far, this strategy works very well. We need to give credits to our brother engineers.

As of today, Cisco is still the #1 company in the world. Will Cisco be still the top 10 years later? Nobody knows. Nortel was #1 10 years ago, they filed bankruptcy early this year and we all know that their glory days are long gone. Why I wrote just a long message? Don't bet on a technology that is vendor centric. For example, CCIE-Storage cert is by design to focus on Cisco storage implementation. We don't know companies would continue to use Cisco storage products 10 years from now. I recommend you to start with Routing and Switching, IP and Ethernet won't go away. Service Provider is also a good investment because MPLS will stay at least for the next 5 years. Even if Cisco was less influential in next 10 years, your knowledge and investment wouldn't go in vain.

My 2 cents.

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lightcable 2009-7-20 03:31 AM

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Any suggestion for minimum home lab Cisco equipment for practising configuration at home? [/quote]

My R&S experience was back in 2004 which is so out-dated. In those days, I built the lab using real equipments based on the exam blueprint.

If you prepare for CCIE-SP, I can share with you my experience. I didn't buy any equipment. Instead, I soley used Dynamips and Dynagen on a Macbook Pro. The outcome turned out very well. Having that said, I did rent 4 virtual lab sessions from an on-line vendor.

I need to emphasize one thing: Despite all the greatness of dynamips, dynamips can't substitute  real equipments. I learned few things that wouldn't be able to test on dynamips. For example, serial link will always come up on dynamips even you forget to configure clock rate. On real equipment, you must configure the clock rate to bring up the link. Besides, I could never make AToM work on dynamips. In real exam, this knowledge will determine pass or fail.

HTH

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svenus 2009-7-20 08:31 PM

Dynamips is sufficient enough for SP, but not R&S.  For R&S, you still need a 3560.
AToM does work in dynamips, I did try tests together with QinQ on a 3550.

Other tracks, I don't think you can get it with dynamips alone.

lightcable 2009-7-21 12:01 AM

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Dynamips is sufficient enough for SP, but not R&S.  For R&S, you still need a 3560.
AToM does work in dynamips, I did try tests together with QinQ on a 3550.

Other tracks, I don't think you can g ... [/quote]

Interesting, I could never get the IP IWF working on Pseudowire (L2TPv3 or MPLS) between FR and Ethernet on dynamips alone. But the same configure works on real equipments. I also heard people building virtual lab for Security using dynamips. See this wiki:

http://inetpro.org/wiki/CCIE_Security_Home_Lab_with_dynamips_&_Co

svenus 2009-7-21 08:14 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]lightcable[/i] 於 2009-7-21 12:01 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=213878005&ptid=10119207][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Interesting, I could never get the IP IWF working on Pseudowire (L2TPv3 or MPLS) between FR and Ethernet on dynamips alone. But the same configure works on real equipments. I also heard people bui ... [/quote]

樓上個 Wiki  好耐之前睇過~ :loveliness:

可以講一講 Security 既,我都係今年年頭先考完,不過係佢剛剛轉新 syllabus 前。
新 syllabus 無左 PIX, VPN3K, appliance 得返 ASA. 基本上,平平地買隻 5505 黎就可以做到好多練習. PEMU/QEMU 可以用黎補助 HA... SSL VPN 就一定要搵隻真野黎做.  所以剩返落黎既新野就係 IPS 6.x.  呢個比較難上到手, 我自己係用 5.x 既 VM 版本.  5.x 同 6.x 都有唔少野多左, 連 IDM 響新 syllabus 都消失左. 不過,老實講我唔覺得 IPS 唔太熟會死得人. 簡單 setup IP, span traffic, 做 VLAN pair 呢 d 唔應該唔識做, 死極都係死 7 分 8 分 config IPS feature.

其他的,去左 12.4T 反而畀 dynamips 更好機會,用真野分分鐘要 upgrade mem/flash....

lightcable 2009-7-21 10:42 AM

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樓上個 Wiki  好耐之前睇過~ :loveliness:

可以講一講 Security 既,我都係今年年頭先考完,不過係佢剛剛轉新 syllabus 前。
新 syllabus 無左 PIX, VPN3K, appliance 得返 ASA. 基本上,平平地買隻 5505 黎 ... [/quote]

Congrats you got it done so that one less thing to worry. Good luck for you CCDE and CCA.
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