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smallpea 2011-6-10 11:04 PM

GO Panomaticlunar

呢隻錶話有47 jewels, 即係咩意思呢?



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horology 2011-6-11 11:03 AM

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The number of jewel bearings is a mark of watch quality.  More jewel bearings mean more accuracy. A typical fully jeweled time-only watch has 17 jewels: two cap jewels, two pivot jewels, an impulse jewel for the balance wheel, two pivot jewels, two pallet jewels for the pallet fork, and two pivot jewels each for the escape, fourth, third, and center wheels.

Some watches have as many as 100 jewels, most of them of no use.

47 jewels mean that this watch's is very accurate and precise.

Ringow222 2011-6-11 04:31 PM

ic.. good sharing :loveliness:

I recalled, not sure, some new calibre have 'diamond' as one or some of its jewels. Are these just marketing tactic or did serve purpose in relation to accuracy?

hl1870n 2011-6-12 02:44 PM

During 1700s and 1800s natural jewels were used, such as diamond, sapphire, ruby, and garnet. In 1902, a process to make synthetic sapphire and ruby was invented by Auguste Verneuil (a Frenchman), making jewelled bearings much less expensive. Today most jewelled bearings are synthetic ruby or sapphire.  I don't think dismonds would make jewels more accurate but they certainly represented how jewels were made long time ago.



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socialwong 2011-6-12 02:53 PM

I read that some brands would use synthetic ruby for costing control while some brands would insist on using natural one for quality control.

smallpea 2011-6-12 03:19 PM

What about GO?



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socialwong 2011-6-12 04:07 PM

Sure natural gem.

daniel_hk 2011-6-12 09:51 PM

Hi Social Wong C-hing,

Are you sure GO use natural gem? I wonder no moderm brand use natural gem, it is not because of the cost, but the stability of the GEM. Just my 2 cents.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Cheers, Daniel

LordFarkward 2011-6-12 11:31 PM

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[align=left][quote]原帖由 [i]horology[/i] 於 2011-6-11 11:03 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=292058869&ptid=14594655][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
The number of jewel bearings is a mark of watch quality.  More jewel bearings mean more accuracy. A typical fully jeweled time-only watch has 17 jewels: two cap jewels, two pivot jewels, an impulse jewel for the balance wheel, two pivot jewels, two pallet jewels for the pallet fork, and two pivot jewels each for the escape, fourth, third, and center wheels.

Some watches have as many as 100 jewels, most of them of no use.

47 jewels mean that this watch's is very accurate and precise. [/quote][/align]


Wrong. More jewels does not mean it is of better quality nor more accurate.
[url=http://www.timezone.com/library/wwatchfaq/wwatchfaq631668591017665598]http://www.timezone.com/library/ ... q631668591017665598[/url]
You even said it yourself: "Some watches have as many as 100 jewels, most of them of no use." - this automatically concludes that more jewels doesn't mean it's better.

Social hing - I believe I read somewhere that GO uses synthetic gems, and the reason was what Daniel-hing said: because of the stability of the man-made gems under controlled conditions. I will try to find the link and post back later.

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smallpea 2011-6-12 11:55 PM

no matter they use natural jewels or not, I already bought my first GO today, although it's a bit expensive, but I just couldn't let it go once it's on my wrist, it's so pretty!



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LordFarkward 2011-6-13 12:25 AM

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Nice! You got the PanomaticLunar in the end?

It's time for some wrist share :)

socialwong 2011-6-13 08:50 AM

Sorry for my misleading information about jewel.
I read again some articles of gemused on caliber and
found that synthetical  jewel are commonly adopted now in
almost all brands. Natural ruby is used only in very old models
before and faded out in reasons of Daniel_hk ching mentioned.

Actually I found this in GO website:

"An artificially cultured ruby with a centrally drilled hole used for bearing pivots,
thus creating less friction."

Thank you, I need to read more before I make quick reply.




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Hi Social Wong C-hing,

Are you sure GO use natural gem? I wonder no moderm brand use natural gem, it is not because of the cost, but the stability of the GEM. Just my 2 cents.

Please correct me  ... [/quote]



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socialwong 2011-6-13 08:57 AM

Congratulation! You're so fast to get one!
please post pictures!

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no matter they use natural jewels or not, I already bought my first GO today, although it's a bit expensive, but I just couldn't let it go once it's on my wrist, it's so pretty!



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smallpea 2011-6-13 11:20 AM

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LordFarkward and SocialWong C hing,
Yes I did get the Lunar but I just can't figure it out how to post photos here... I read the instruction from another post but I just couldn't get it worked out :smile_13:
Can I post it somewhere else and just paste the link here? May be this would be the easiest way for a computer idiot like me. :smile_41:

socialwong 2011-6-13 02:01 PM

You may post the link elsewhere but you could also upload jpg files under 512Kb here.

Can't wait longer for your new PML.

epos3375 2011-6-13 08:34 PM

LordF Hing
I agree your points. I read the Iwc catalogue 2010, the author declared that all jewels used in their productions including the grand complication, is made of synthetic ruby.
Jewel used mainly for reducing friction.
More functions of the watch , more connection points thus requiring more jewels for supporting the pivot points.
I saw genuine diamonds inside the watch like EPOS tourbillon but the purpose is mainly for decoration.


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Wrong. More jewels does not mean it is of better quality nor more accurate.
http://www.timezone.com/library/ ... q631668591017665598
You even said it yourself: "Some watches have as many as 10 ... [/quote]



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horology 2011-6-14 12:44 PM

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Wrong. More jewels does not mean it is of better quality nor more accurate.
[url=http://www.timezone.com/library/]http://www.timezone.com/library/[/url] ... q631668591017665598
You even said it yourself: "Some watches have as many as 10 ... [/quote]

Thanks.  But even Timezone said more jewels [i]usually[/i] means more accuracy:- :smile_45:

"A typical hand-wind movement today will have only 17 jewels as a full complement. [b]Some really high-grade or ultra-thin movements will add a few extra jewels to further protect against any wear, but even these top out at 21-23 jewels.[/b]

[b]Automatic winding movements will add about 4-8 jewels to help most efficiently transfer the relatively small rotor forces into winding the mainspring[/b]. Another factor has to do with how the watch is constructed - especially for chronograph movements and perpetual calendars. Some chronograph movements used today (including the ETA 2894-2) are modular in construction - meaning that a plate containing the chronograph works is grafted onto a basic timekeeping movement. Since the original timekeeping movements were not always designed with this in mind, it becomes critical for the add-on module to add as little "drag" as possible - which may indicate use of jewels for their low friction properties."

Therefore more jewels beyond 17 jewels would usually add to the accuracy of the watch but it will top out at around 21-23 jewels.  As I said, some old watches with 100 jewels are not more accurate than watches with 23 jewels but a watch with 23 jewels are definitely more accurate than a watch with only 17 jewels.  As simple as that.

smallpea 2011-6-14 01:24 PM

Thanks all c hing, in that case I think the conclusion is a watch with 23 jewels would be considered as an very accurate watch, anything beyond that is just gimmick, so as GO.



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LordFarkward 2011-6-14 10:03 PM

Haha wow. Someone didn't pay attention in school and is now full of fail. Fail in both comprehension and logic. 0 marks for you. :smile_39::smile_39::smile_39:
I've already taught you in so many other posts how flawed your arguments were, and yet you still can't learn. You really don't learn quick, it seems :smile_45:

1) Logic fail:
You said: "The number of jewel bearings is a mark of watch quality. More jewel bearings mean more accuracy."
You didn't say it USUALLY means better quality. You said it is "a mark of watch quality" - it was a conclusive statement, and that more jewel bearings = more accuracy. Again, you didn't say it MAY or USUALLY means more accuracy, the statement you made was a definitive 'more jewels = better accuracy'.


But then immediately you contradicted your own statement and said "Some watches have as many as 100 jewels, most of them of no use.".
Can you make up your mind? First you said "more jewel bearings mean more accuracy", then you say some have "as many as 100 jewels, most of them of no use". This is logic fail right there. Failed HARD. :Q


2) Comprehension fail:
I said: "More jewels does not mean it is of better quality nor more accurate." Did I say "More jewels [b][i][u]never[/u][/i][/b] means better quality nor better accuracy"? I said more does not mean better, that's it.
So, how does your reply "But even Timezone said more jewels [i]usually[/i] means more accuracy" have anything to do with what I said? Here's your answer: It doesn't. You failed at comprehending what I was talking about, and replied with a non-related argument. This is comprehension fail right there. Failed even HARDER. :Q:Q


It really looks like you will not learn no matter how many free lessons I have given you. :smile_45: That's it, no more free lessons for you. :smile_34: Teaching you is totally pointless.




For other chings, I'm sorry you guys had to endure a lesson that I'm sure you all know too well - but some people just don't learn quick enough. Just look at his posts in the Panerai forum (or ask anyone who frequents the Panerai forum), you'll see how ridiculously annoying he is. [b][u]This is my last post that is aimed at him, I promise[/u][/b] :) horology, I truly feel sorry for you. I hope you learn from your own mistakes. Too bad I won't be holding your hand anymore teaching you new lessons as I will not reply to you anymore.


So now back on topic - smallpea hing, huge congrats on your new acquisition, and welcome to the GO family!



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Thanks.  But even Timezone said more jewels usually means more accuracy:- :smile_45:

"A typical hand-wind movement today will have only 17 jewels as a full complement. Some really high-grade or ... [/quote]

socialwong 2011-6-14 10:36 PM

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what an interesting arguement on different perceptions and understandings. I need to polish my english in catching this thread. heee....



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smallpea 2011-6-14 10:47 PM

I did not read a lot of the posts that horology c hing podted in panerai forum but I think what he was trying to say is more jewels do mean something in terms of accuracy. Thanks for all your reply!



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horology 2011-6-14 11:17 PM

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Haha wow. Someone didn't pay attention in school and is now full of fail. Fail in both comprehension and logic. 0 marks for you. :smile_39::smile_39::smile_39:
I've already taught you in so many othe ... [/quote]

Can any C Hing tell me why he suddenly became so hyper? :smile_41:  It's just a small jewel in a watch. No big deal.  If he cannot handle that, he shouldn't discuss here.

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LordFarkward 2011-6-15 07:05 AM

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I did not read a lot of the posts that horology c hing podted in panerai forum but I think what he was trying to say is more jewels do mean something in terms of accuracy. Thanks for all your reply!
... [/quote]
smallpea hing and social hing, he always acts as if he's innocent, but I don't actually need to say much. Just take a quick look at the following threads and you'll see what an annoying joker this person is.:smile_34:
[url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=14493636&extra=page%3D2&page=7]http://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=14493636&extra=page%3D2&page=7[/url]
[url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=14558340&extra=page%3D3]http://www.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=14558340&extra=page%3D3[/url]

Anyway smallpea hing, still waiting for wrist shot of your new GO. I will join in with mine later :loveliness:

horology 2011-6-15 08:56 AM

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smallpea hing and social hing, he always acts as if he's innocent, but I don't actually need to say much. Just take a quick look at the following threads and you'll see what an annoying joker this p ... [/quote]

Just a discussion over a god damn watch.唔好咁小器,要心胸廣寬啲,如果唔喺好易心臟病死。:loveliness:

socialwong 2011-6-15 08:59 AM

GOGOGO with your coming new GO! GO ahead, LordFarkward ching, and join GO's club.

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Anyway smallpea hing, still waiting for wrist shot of your new GO. I will join in with mi[/quote]

smallpea 2011-6-15 11:43 AM

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Hi everyone! Here is my new baby...

[url]http://hk.myblog.yahoo.com/little-pea/photo?pid=1490&fid=-1[/url]

socialwong 2011-6-15 12:01 PM

Let me help to post your photo...
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smallpea 2011-6-15 12:11 PM

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Thanks Social Hing! :loveliness:

wlso 2011-6-15 02:50 PM

So beautiful lunar! I hope one day I can get my Lunar XL also.:smile_o06:

fishboy007 2011-6-15 04:30 PM

The brands use rubies for lubrication purpose, they could be considered as "bearings" that used in machines.
They are more important for long lasting operations due to the friction between the axis and the main plate of
the watches.
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