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hoyes02 2011-7-13 12:39 AM

奇牌一副

[size=3]話說打BBO遇到一副幾年難得一見既奇牌,想同大家分享下同睇下大家會點叫呢副牌

話說我坐北家,手持呢副牌:

S: -
H: AQJT875
D: Q86542
C: -

Board 13,雙有價,北家叫先,大家會點叫呢副牌?

(當然仲有下文,不過想睇左開叫先...)
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river_child 2011-7-13 12:48 PM

我會叫 1H. :smile_o05:

hoyes02 2011-7-14 10:15 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]river_child[/i] 於 2011-7-13 12:48 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=295677465&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我會叫 1H. :smile_o05: [/quote]

[size=4]opp pass, partner應1s之後會點叫?[/size]

XLTSD 2011-7-14 01:02 PM

我會叫3H
新手一名~_~

tal 2011-7-14 05:12 PM

3D after partner respond 1S.....think that bid 3H too weak!!

hoyes02 2011-7-16 11:31 AM

[size=4]咁如果你地坐南,手持呢副牌,會點上slam?/點叫落去?

1H    -  1S   -
3D/H -   ?

S: AQ75
H: 963
D: A93
C: AJT
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[[i] 本帖最後由 hoyes02 於 2011-7-16 11:36 AM 編輯 [/i]]

hoyes02 2011-7-16 11:37 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]tal[/i] 於 2011-7-14 05:12 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=295808668&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
3D after partner respond 1S.....think that bid 3H too weak!! [/quote]

[size=4]定係叫reverse bid好d?

先叫diamond再叫heart?
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falary 2011-7-16 11:59 AM

但係呢局make slam機會唔算大, 好睇H/D既distribution, 未agree H/D suit前2個void唔應該計太多, 俾我都係open 1H, partner 1S後只會叫2D, 再睇partner點叫, agree左trump之後再show strength (e.g. cuebid 2個void或blackwood)

river_child 2011-7-17 10:33 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]hoyes02[/i] 於 2011-7-16 11:31 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=295975764&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
咁如果你地坐南,手持呢副牌,會點上slam?/點叫落去?

1H    -  1S   -
3D/H -   ?

S: AQ75
H: 963
D: A93
C: AJT
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如果我係南家,咁的情況...

假設partner叫咗3D...

已知的資料係:

同伴有13分,長門H(5張或以上),次長門D,同伴邀請上GAME.

對手兩個人都無叫過,估算佢地手上的牌最多都係8-10分,應該無特長門(6張或以上)[如果有就會弱叫3X]。

我有15分,加埋28分以上,足夠打一局GAME,問題係3NT, 定係4H/4S,邊個主打。

我單睇自己副牌,唔會知同伴係有兩門出缺,所以我會叫3NT。

river_child 2011-7-17 10:36 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]XLTSD[/i] 於 2011-7-14 01:02 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=295784574&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我會叫3H
新手一名~_~ [/quote]
缺門計2分,副牌計埋有13分,我就唔會一開就弱叫3H

river_child 2011-7-17 10:38 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]hoyes02[/i] 於 2011-7-14 10:15 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=295769818&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


opp pass, partner應1s之後會點叫? [/quote]
我會叫2D,示意有另一個的選擇,睇吓同伴點回應...

tal 2011-7-18 10:42 AM

I think the binding : 1H -> 1S -> 3D -> 3H -> 4H -> 4NT -> 5D -> 6H end
1. North 3D over 1H normally 16+, South knows H fit (at least 5-3), can try slam
2. Although N only got 9HCP, but the cards distribution so good....this hand worth much (S+C void, +6, 7cards H +2 to +3, 6cards D +1 to 2), that means the hand worth around 17points.
3. South hand with 3Aces, better than normal 15points.
4. 6H contract around 25-28% make, I think I will still go for it.
5. If N respond 2D after S 1S, too weak....the contract will be 4H.
6. Please think that if S got a HK or DK and without any ace of S and C, 6H is easy to make.  Therefore, i think 6H is the best contract.

tal 2011-7-18 11:06 AM

回覆 7# 的帖子

If you play 5 card major, can't bid D before H.....coz if u bid D first, it means u don't hv any 5 card major.
For example, u bid 1d then 3H....means u hv at least 4 cards D (normally 5 cards , coz if u can reserve, means u got 16+ up, so u can bid NT  unless u got 4441 hand)....and not more than 4 cards of H
Yr partner never believe 6 got more than 4 cards of H no matter u rebid how many times.
Normally, yr partner thinks that u has 5-6D with strong  4 cards of H, don't want to play NT.

petqwe 2011-7-18 01:19 PM

It is ridiculous that all believe your dear opponents will sit back and let you bid whatever you like. Yet a simple overcall of Spades/Clubs or a Michaels cue-bid will mess up your bidding sequence. If you open this hand with One Heart, hardly anything is lost if East enters the bidding cheaply.

Your having a freak implies your opponents' having good shapes. Open high or open strong, else opponents will find a cheap sacrifice. Better is to open Two Club if strong, ONE CLUB if forcing.

Case 1: You open Two Club as a forcing bid, opponents interfere.
Bid slam as both pairs have good shape. If your slam fails, there is a high chance their slam will make.

Case 2: You open One Club, big or Polish. Opponents interfere.
Use your defensive arsenal, which you should have.

Case 3: You open One Heart. Opponents interfere.
Now unless you use the Manfield treatment or have some good Rubensohl sequences, your partner will have a hard time showing his hand.

Also, as you are ready to bid game once you find a minimal fit, you should open with a strong sequence.

onego 2011-7-27 02:28 PM

thanks for sharing

CP-KELVIN 2011-8-3 05:14 AM

開叫4H啦!
呢D牌, 如果有GAME, 你願意打紅心多過方塊.
如果要打SLAM, 你PD要有HK, DA, DK其中2隻而且方塊要有支持, 機會唔係大.
如果對手有局, 一早PREEMPT左佢好過俾人容易搵到4S, 到時你仲要考慮叫唔叫5D犧牲

petqwe 2011-8-4 10:24 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]CP-KELVIN[/i] 於 2011-8-3 05:14 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297975009&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
開叫4H啦!
呢D牌, 如果有GAME, 你願意打紅心多過方塊.
如果要打SLAM, 你PD要有HK, DA, DK其中2隻而且方塊要有支持, 機會唔係大.
如果對手有局, 一早PREEMPT左佢好過俾人容易搵到4S, 到時你仲要考慮叫唔叫5D犧牲 [/quote]

Expect your opponents laughing hard at you when your partner lays down his hand with:
S KQ32
H K2
D AT93
C KJ5

6D is cold and you find yourself playing in 4H.

CP-KELVIN 2011-8-5 03:19 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]petqwe[/i] 於 2011-8-4 10:24 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=298204481&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


Expect your opponents laughing hard at you when your partner lays down his hand with:
S KQ32
H K2
D AT93
C KJ5

6D is cold and you find yourself playing in 4H. [/quote]

Bridge is a game of probability.

[quote]原帖由 [i]CP-KELVIN[/i] 於 2011-8-3 05:14 AM 發表 [url=redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=297975009&ptid=14781955][img]images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
如果要打SLAM, 你PD要有HK, DA, DK其中2隻而且方塊要有支持, 機會唔係大.
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[[i] 本帖最後由 CP-KELVIN 於 2011-8-5 03:34 AM 編輯 [/i]]

Terry1326 2011-8-5 01:02 PM

agreed with open 4H.

十副咁ge 牌, 有廿副係opp 跟手叫4S.

tal 2011-8-10 11:07 AM

I don't agree to bid 4H opening, reason:
1. Most of time Opp will bid 4S coz they think that u r holding a weak hand, without denfense value.
2. The hand is strong, 4H stopped partner!!!
3. If Opp bid 4S after yr 4H, yr partner will be in difficult position
4. Opening 1H means your hand stronger
5. If partner with D, may pay D.

wnchiu 2011-8-18 10:53 AM

According to the original North/South card, I will bid like this:

A. If has artifical Strong 2C/2D, then bid 2C/2D, partner response with strong hand, then confirm with H support, cuebid 1st round control. 6H final contract

B. If just natural bidding system, 1H > 1S > 3D > 3H > 4D > 4S > 5C > 5D > 6H
North bid 1H and then 3D, 4D declear the hand at least five Heart and five Diamond, after agreed with Heart as trumps, all are cue-bids for first round control. 6H is also final contract.

Terry1326 2011-8-22 03:28 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]tal[/i] 於 2011-8-10 11:07 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=299017308&ptid=14781955][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I don't agree to bid 4H opening, reason:
1. Most of time Opp will bid 4S coz they think that u r holding a weak hand, without denfense value.
2. The hand is strong, 4H stopped partner!!!
3. If Opp bid 4S after yr 4H, yr partner will be in difficult position
4. Opening 1H means your hand stronger
5. If partner with D, may pay D.
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For your point 1, 2 &4.
[size=3]S: -
H: AQJT875
D: Q86542
C: -[/size]

This can so-call a strong hand? Agreed, when [b]in declarer play[/b] only.
A good hand in declarer play only = preemptive oriented.

[size=3]For 3, If Opp bid 4S after yr 4H, yr partner will be in difficult position[/size]
[size=3]why? I showed good value in H, and limited def value.[/size]
[size=3]your difficult position means.....slam?[/size]
As #16 said, "(slam)機會唔係大."

For 3&5,
or your difficult position means......5D or 4H?
with a semi-solid H, how many times 5D make, but 4H failed?

[[i] 本帖最後由 Terry1326 於 2011-8-22 03:34 PM 編輯 [/i]]

CP-KELVIN 2011-8-27 03:30 AM

當自己揸住一手怪牌型既牌, 通常對方都係....

現代既橋牌, preempt大於一切, 就算你同PARTNER係好牌, 你想慢慢1H, 1S 或者2C, 2D咁叫上去, 基本上可能性十分低, 對手揸住一付有牌型既牌, 一定PREEMPT到你暈, 到頭來叫SLAM定DBL人地既合約都係斷估...唔好忘記, 如果對方係怪牌型, 就算你牌力高防守都冇乜著數, 到頭來俾你DBL倒3都未必好得過自己做到個成局既GAME!
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