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distancelearner 2012-9-24 12:00 AM

The reason of termination of my employment

As instructed by the boss, my employment had been terminated last week for some personnal reasons. Indeed I newly worked as an Accounting Officer in this company for one week. Initially, I am unfamiliar with the office works including how to operate the photocopy machine effectively, internal telephone connection, e-mail system and so on.


After query the reasons incurring this incident from the boss, he cannot accept any vocabulary and word which are wrongly used in email. Besides,I waste a lot of photocopy paper together with the slow reaction in learning. So, he is unwilling to spend any time and resource on me accordingly. Anyway it is his self-explanatory. I guess that the fatal accident is the daily communication skill in email. Similar with me, he is also a degree holder. I don’t understand why he has such opinion and I don’t believe that I have written him any insensible word.


Although I am not the best, I am quite confident of my written skill as I worked in a prestigious international company for more than 10 years. It is very kind of our department head, manager and the oversea colleagues who let me have a sound skill and culture. Besides, the memo and email of our Managing Director are worth perusal. I reckon that my written skill may not be suitable for the small medium enterprise (SME). I hope that I can work in an international company again one day. I prefer accepting the lower salary, uncomfortable working environment and work over time to changing to my written skill.

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screenname 2012-9-24 09:37 AM

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distancelearner 2012-9-25 09:22 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]screenname[/i] 於 2012-9-24 09:37 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343163886&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Sorry to hear that you lost your job but not sure the purpose of this thread. If you are trying to look for opportunity here, you may want to rewrite your post. For example, " I prefer accepting the l ... [/quote]

In discussion board, it is believe that mostpeople are using a nickname just for grievance. No need is required over there.The main theme in my article I need to point out that it seems to be uselessalthough obtaining degree and relevant working experience.
I don’t understand why I was terminated theemployment due to the communication skill. At this moment, I still believe thatno mistake is made in my writing.
According to the background of the boss, heis a man approached to 40. After graduation, he worked as an audit trainee for1 year. He set up his business with the different partners engaging in thedifferent kinds of work afterwards. On the contrary, I had been working formore than 10 years in an MNC since 26. Maybe the boss has not the similarwriting style although both of us have the same academic background.
With respect to my words you mentionedbefore, it is a correct pattern. According to dictionary, prefer….to…is right.

screenname 2012-9-25 11:02 AM

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yukkit 2012-9-26 06:31 PM

To be honest, your posts here are plagued with grammatical errors (the title sounds awkward in the first place). I have no idea which MNC you worked for, but your writing style is, to be frank, quite horrible and in no way suggests that you worked at a "prestigious international company" (maybe your position didn't require you to write anything?)

I think the reason FOR the termination of your contract is not your writing style per se; I reckon that it has more to do with your personality. You seem to be quite stubborn and refuse in any way to correct your own mistakes. I have great difficulty in understanding why you can write something as weird as "Anyway it is his self-explanatory." and believe that you have made no mistakes in your writings.

Most employers will definitely allow room for mistakes - but on the condition that the employees are willing to learn from them.

distancelearner 2012-9-26 10:06 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]yukkit[/i] 於 2012-9-26 06:31 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343387579&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
To be honest, your posts here are plagued with grammatical errors (the title sounds awkward in the first place). I have no idea which MNC you worked for, but your writing style is, to be frank, quite  ... [/quote]



Thank you for your comments on my writing. In fact, I worked in a MNC for more than 10 years. It was very kind of my department head who amended my writing prior sending the clients the fax/email. In my former job, we needed to communicate with my oversea clients everyday. I hope that you understand.


In the recent job, I often kept at a distance with my boss as he often stayed outside to contact with clients basically. Anyway I am willing to amend to impress with the boss if necessary. It is really.


With respect to the sentence “Anyway it is his self-explanatory", I learnt from my old boss as he used this sentence when hepassed the explanation from supplier to us. I believe to my old boss. So, it iscorrect.


I still need to work in office. Business writing is inevitable. Please don’t mind to re-phrase for my writing by return to avoid further writing errors.


Thank you for your enthusiasm.

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screenname 2012-9-26 11:34 PM

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distancelearner 2012-9-27 09:12 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]screenname[/i] 於 2012-9-26 11:34 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343411047&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
May I ask what title/position you had before the recent termination? [/quote]


I worked as an Account Officer I mentioned in 1#

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georgelee 2012-9-27 09:19 AM

[i][i]prestigious international company for more than 10 years.
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I don't understand why you possess 10 years accounting experience in prestigious international company is still contented with accounting officer role now?

screenname 2012-9-27 10:22 AM

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distancelearner 2012-9-27 02:23 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]georgelee[/i] 於 2012-9-27 09:19 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343429146&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
prestigious international company for more than 10 years.


I don't understand why you possess 10 years accounting experience in prestigious international company is still contented with accounting ... [/quote]
I skipped to disclose some information. Actually, I worked in MNC formore than 10 years. During the tenure, I took the OUHK (DL) in BBA on part timebasis. After graduation, I have been working in A/C field from 2007 onwards.

screenname 2012-9-28 10:47 PM

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distancelearner 2012-9-29 10:27 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]screenname[/i] 於 2012-9-28 10:47 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343571184&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Good luck finding another job. Still the same suggestion, ask someone that is good with English to look over your writing and see what needs to be improved. [/quote]
Thank you for your advice. I hope that I can use my communication stylein next job. No one is willing to amend my writing skill as a current boss prefers switching to another new staff.

screenname 2012-9-30 09:22 PM

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distancelearner 2012-9-30 09:52 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]screenname[/i] 於 2012-9-30 09:22 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343724860&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


You found a new job? Or are you referring to your immediate past boss? [/quote]
Oh! Sorry! I mislead you in my sentence. I mean that the boss inrecent years not only the past boss. I should rephrase the sentence as below.
Nowadays, the boss shall replace the staff frequently if hedislikes.
Okay?

screenname 2012-10-1 08:33 AM

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pyrodude1031 2012-10-1 11:54 PM

Please allow me some time to rewrite your first post.

pyrodude1031 2012-10-2 01:17 AM

The reason for the termination of employment

I was instructed by my boss that my employment contract will be terminated due to personal issues. In the first and only week of employment as an Acct Officer, I was unfamiliar with my role and the responsibilities it entail. These included: operating the photocopier; internal calls; email system; and other ad-hoc tasks.

I went forward to discuss the matter with my manager, who justified his decision on the basis of my vocabulary and grammar used for email communications. He also criticised me of the excess wastage of paper present whenever I was operating the photocopier. As a consequence of these two matters, my manager decided to not put anymore time and effort into training me. I believe the photocopier part of his explanation is illegitimate. Yet, I agree with him that the cause for my mishap is the poor quality in my electronic communication skills. Both my manager and I are uni-graduates, thus, I find his comments on my communication skills unacceptable.

.................. OMG... I am finding it impossible to go any further... Your sentences dont really flow. I have just re worded your paragraphs, with no attempt to make them flow.

I think by 'self explanatory,'   you're trying to say that , whatever he told you was merely his attempt to 'defend' his actions and decision. 你係唔係想話 「自辯??」 If not, I have no idea what you're on about.

[quote]原帖由 [i]distancelearner[/i] 於 2012-9-26 10:06 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343402714&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

Thank you for your comments on my writing. In fact, I worked in a MNC for more than 10 years. It was very kind of my department head who amended my writing prior sending the clients the fax/email.
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However, I must say.... I believe the only reason why you were able to stay with your prestigious  International co, is the over-leniency of your boss, in cross checking your emails before they're sent to your clients. Hence giving you confidence in your written skill, but to be honest, you seriously need to work on your English.

Examples,
"for some personnal reasons" .. for personal reasons, some personal reason (colloquial, not written english)
"Indeed I newly worked" ... no idea why indeed is used.

after query ....  incorrect
similar with .... similar to
as I worked...   as i had/have worked (had/have, because you no longer work there)[quote]原帖由 [i]distancelearner[/i] 於 2012-9-27 02:23 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=343450569&ptid=20883279][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

I skipped to disclose some information. Actually, I worked in MNC formore than 10 years. During the tenure, I took the OUHK (DL) in BBA on part timebasis. After graduation, I have been working in A/C field from 2007 onwards.[/quote]


Upon graduation in 2007, I started working in the AC field.
I have been working in the AC field since my graduation in 2007.
"Sorry, I would never have thought of using ONWARDS to express the situation. I guess because SINCE is what you would use."

OK, Im not an english teacher/nor trying to show off or anything. Simply trying to offer some help.  SOrry to be harsh, I hope you understand.

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你呃人100 2012-10-2 06:08 AM

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chiumalut 2012-10-2 07:49 PM

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Here is my perspective from someone who has worked in Big4, Consulting, IBank. (I'm not saying mine is a spectacular resume, as my experience is quite common, but I am saying I am well acquainted with representing my firms externally)

Your writing is not at the level which I will feel comfortable with to pose in the role of an external liaison.

With that said, you have not disclosed whether your boss's opinion on your communication is based on emails that are being sent externally. While I agree that in your case if your emails are being sent to customers he is in the right to be very distraught, if your emails are merely casual and sent internally there is a margin there as to whether it deserves dismissal.

And yes, there are people who went to prestigious local universities and did professional degrees who still had worse English than yours and is still being employed in MNC. That is something I find hard to bear, but its the employment pool that we face.

If you are looking at this issue in the light of what degree he and you hold, you are missing out on the yet issue. And I also concur with the previous poster above that you seem to convey an attitude of stubbornness and this in and of itself is a detriment to employment.

chicken1980 2012-10-3 01:13 PM

For one second I did feel bad but after I read your first post I think I understand what your boss had in mind.

Your writing might be part of it but let's don't forget the bits and pieces you mentioned in your 1st and 2nd paragraph at #1.

The third thing is your mindset or your logic of thinking in other words. I still, and I'm sure so as others, couldn't understand why you believe your writing may found okay for prestigious international companies but become a problem in SME's.

If writing 'skills' (although I think it sounds more appropiate to call it writing style) is the only one thing that you could not compromise I suggest you to consider becoming a column writer instead of working in a business :smile_04:

antonyd 2012-10-3 02:06 PM

bummer... but at the end of the day, it's experience that matters.

pokergabi 2012-10-3 09:09 PM

Honestly if I were your boss I will get pissed off by your broken English.

In my mind I will think like this


"geez, what the fxxk is this guy trying to say. Okay I will fire him in a polite way."

chicken1980 2012-10-4 09:11 AM

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Honestly if I were your boss I will get pissed off by your broken English.

In my mind I will think like this


"geez, what the fxxk is this guy trying to say. Okay I will fire him in a polite wa ... [/quote]

That's very true. When a boss wants to fire a worker he/ she doesn't really need a reason,
just like a love relationship when a person doesn't love you anymore or worse started to hate you,
then anyway you do will be wrong :smile_30:

pokergabi 2012-10-4 11:16 PM

I think if your English is not that good, just use simple and short sentence.

at least it could help a bit.

screenname 2012-10-4 11:22 PM

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distancelearner 2012-10-6 02:12 PM

Thank you for your comments. The revised version is nice. I am very impressedwith your writing skill which is high standard, good structure, quietintelligent and smart.


The former department head and manager in MNC are quiet nice. Theymade comments on my writing prior sending. But I got only one complaint fromthe department head. One day, he pointed out that I should not use theunsuitable words to remind the client. I said that it is very surprised toreceive…
I should state that thank you for your material but it is notmatched with the requirement as stated in your order. HeyHeyHey…


Sorry! The ability of my conversation is not very good. But I cancommunicate with the others when visiting in Canada.


Yes, you are right. I used to considering to become as an editorinstead of accountant. I asked for opinion from my young sister. In response tothis issue, she disagrees with me. The editor should equip with the soundknowledge in the particular field besides the excellent writing skill. Inaddition to, all walks of life will comment on what I write. At this moment, Icannot write the article as good as the editors in SCMP.


Yes, if a boss dislike his/her subordinates, he will fire thesubordinates with any reason.


When I started to work in my former job earlier last month, the bossmade an agreement with me. At the end of my employment, the boss gave me thetermination notice. According to the sentence structure and words on theagreement and the termination notice, it is very professional like our MNC. Onthe contrary, his writing style in email is just like a F.5 standard. He usedand then and then and then for 3 times in one of the emails. So, I believe thathe has asked for assistance from the professional firms to draft the aforesaid agreementand the termination notice.


In the former job in audit firm, one of the auditors wrote the followingsentence in email. Dear Mr. X, I want to tell you something from client……
Basically, the sentence is not wrong but not professional. At least,she should state as below. Dear Mr. X,  Asrequested by client, I now disclose to you…


Maybe, the different age of the managers have the different skills.In the MNC and the audit firm, the manager approaching to 60 always makes asentence “As requested, instructed, informed, stated….If the manager in MNCless than 30, he or she will not be the same.


The reason for the termination of employment may invoice differentreasons but the communication skill is fatal. Also, the culture between MNC& SME is different whatever in salary and writing style. Please image whathappen if a member of staff has switched to SME from MNC.

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distancelearner 2012-10-6 03:25 PM

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Wow,you have a lot of grammatically incorrect.although my English no longer is enough and I didn't get through my English,I could find a lot of wrong grammar from your words.you had better check it  ... [/quote]
I have tried my best on the grammar and tense.I have joined the course (WSI) where focus to conversation. What is the majorproblem? Usage, struction? Is there any suggestion?
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