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Edward0109 2012-10-23 12:50

堂堂 Miss 都講 case
都唔明佢講乜:smile_27:

kary 2012-10-23 12:57

其實睇case 剩係casebook 入面係咪唔夠ga??



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kary 2012-10-23 12:59

我既意思係洗唔洗full case 睇:smile_41:



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UOL_2012 2012-10-23 17:08

well......you are actually recommended to read a full case so that you can understand why the judge made such and such decisions. You can also learn why they turned down some counsels' arguments. I would suggest that you pick some leading cases to read in full and ignore some "small" cases if you don't have enough time. Cheers~

lextb 2012-10-23 17:49

正常唔係上堂前睇定,最低限度知道fact,issue,ratio同埋mark哂有咩想問先返學既咩......

UOL_2012 2012-10-23 18:39

[quote]原帖由 [i]lextb[/i] 於 2012-10-23 05:49 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345619124&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
正常唔係上堂前睇定,最低限度知道fact,issue,ratio同埋mark哂有咩想問先返學既咩...... [/quote]

dont be so mean la......not every student is like that......

(though you are soooooooooooooooooooooo right! =.=)

Vista2003 2012-10-23 20:18

首先,你冇講你讀繄乜野course, 呢到有本土既學生/海外自修生。其實對課程既認知都好重要。你可以識多些同學仔,交流一下。就算唔明白,咁係邊方面?(a)個professor 講得快?(b) 冇備課對內容唔清楚?講case倍感困難?(c) 個professor 抄係白板既comment 唔明?

A.咪叫佢講慢d lor
B.其實如果你知道下堂教邊個chapter, 望一望下的內容,上堂個陣點都有d幫助。總好過上堂個陣白坐,成三、四個鐘。就算有部份認識,將呢d咁零碎既認知,再整合埋一齊,你都一知半解,最後都係要睇書。
C如果b可以改善到的話,對c都有幫助。
知道自己既問題、對正下藥。其實最好都係group study,因為每一個人既睇法都有分別,正所謂 一人計短ar ma, good luck!



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UOL_2012 2012-10-24 11:25

[quote]原帖由 [i]kary[/i] 於 2012-10-23 12:59 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345599967&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我既意思係洗唔洗full case 睇:smile_41:



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同埋有D CASE個FACT真係好好笑 LOL :smile_27: :smile_27: :smile_27:

jimbo86 2012-10-24 11:28

sounds like u're in serious cha bo, i dont know what to say, if u really have to struggle inorder to gain anything law maybe not your thing.
i knew accounting wasn't mines either, so no need to even think.
plus my derriere must not be all flat cause I can't sit for too long either.
my schoolmate always teased me as i can do osmotic transfer of knowledge via putting my forehead lined up with the books. then always kind of hard when i woke up to see my forehead kind of flatly creased just like a fresh ironed shirt.

[quote]原帖由 [i]Edward0109[/i] 於 2012-10-23 12:50 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345599438&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
堂堂 Miss 都講 case
都唔明佢講乜:smile_27: [/quote]

餅帥 2012-10-25 07:53

case唔難...legal writing先難..:smile_o16:

antonyd 2012-10-25 09:45

難的話就drop out
放甘多資金入law, 成績又不是高回報 (in your case)
想想是否應該止蝕

Edward0109 2012-10-25 13:57

其實我讀 IVE HD in accountancy
課程包埋法律而己:smile_42:

UOL_2012 2012-10-25 14:59

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case唔難...legal writing先難..:smile_o16: [/quote]

ching 係咪 local law school?
我成日都好好奇到底佢地會唔會教點寫essay:smile_41:

antonyd 2012-10-25 15:58

[quote]原帖由 [i]Edward0109[/i] 於 2012-10-25 01:57 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345775679&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
其實我讀 IVE HD in accountancy
課程包埋法律而己:smile_42: [/quote]

gum您加油完成去

jimbo86 2012-10-26 04:48

if its your minor then all u need is earn enuf marks aka also ran ward and sail thru it.

餅帥 2012-10-26 09:11

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ching 係咪 local law school?
我成日都好好奇到底佢地會唔會教點寫essay:smile_41: [/quote]
唔係local law school~
我諗會教啦...唔教點識寫
仲要教左都未必寫得好

kary 2012-10-26 12:11

local law school 會教ga 我見d course outline 有既

jimbo86 2012-10-26 12:17

have bought a book call Legal writing style.

but u still need a lot of finesse in it, plus many yrs of practice, afterall if its not appealing then u know how far can u go?

解蟲 2012-10-26 15:44

[quote]原帖由 [i]Edward0109[/i] 於 2012-10-25 01:57 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345775679&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
其實我讀 IVE HD in accountancy
課程包埋法律而己:smile_42: [/quote]

讀既系咪contract law? (e.g. implied express terms, offer, etc) Business law, company law 咁~?因為我有兩個朋友都系讀account,間中聽到有人嗌救命 :smile_o16:
咁聽你應該系聽到同contract有關個度多case 跟唔到?
如果系contract, company 甚至系legal system個d基礎野既話我可以簡單講俾你聽,睇下會唔會幫到你

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Edward0109 2012-10-27 00:50

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讀既系咪contract law? (e.g. implied express terms, offer, etc) Business law, company law 咁~?因為我有兩個朋友都系讀account,間中聽到有人嗌救命 :smile_o16:
咁聽你應該系聽到同contract有關個度多cas ... [/quote]
因為剛剛讀所以未教呀  遲d先教 contract, company
而家學tort, legislation等等咋
miss 教我地睇case 分為四個步驟睇

Introduction: identify the legal issues (唔明)
State the legal principles relation to the legal issues (背定義)
State the material facts and apply the law (極度唔明)
Conclude (簡單D講 explain case)
:smile_o03:

解蟲 2012-10-27 09:58

[quote]原帖由 [i]Edward0109[/i] 於 2012-10-27 12:50 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345905127&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

因為剛剛讀所以未教呀  遲d先教 contract, company
而家學tort, legislation等等咋
miss 教我地睇case 分為四個步驟睇

Introduction: identify the legal issues (唔明)
State the legal principles relatio ... [/quote]

點解會學tort咁奇怪?:smile_o08:
我睇下咁講你明唔明 :smile_o13:
[b]1. identify legal issues[/b]
單case個dispute 系咩 --> 人地嘈咩,個judge需要答咩問題 (因為每單case個judge都需要答個問題,佢個答案就系judgment)

[b]3. state the material facts and apply the law[/b]
其實系前後兩件事 --> material facts --> 個單case既facts (事實) e.g.: 我有日系超級市場見到你,因為我見到你前面憎你後面,所以就拎起把刀捅你一刀:smile_o16: 咁個material fact就系我去左超級市場捅你一刀
apply the law --> 用返同單case本身involve既issues有關既law / legal principles (e.g. 泥個example就會系manslaughter,如果系contract,可能就系講緊offer, acceptance 個d)
[b]4. conclude[/b]
我既理解conclude 唔系簡單explain 個case,硬要講既話,其實簡單explain case已經系fact 個個位做左。conclude泥個step其實系簡單講下你個conclusion,用返我捅人個example,個conclusion 可能系根據XXX,所以我系liable for murder咁

雖然你個miss 話泥個系睇case既4 steps,但我咁睇同actual operation (答問題)d steps 都似。如果系答問題呢,我個時學個step就少少唔同:搵fact --> identify applicable laws --> 搵doctrine --> apply rules to facts --> conclusion (不過泥個系後話:smile_o01:)

睇下咁講會唔會好d,唔明可以再問 :smile_o12:

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Edward0109 2012-10-29 00:44

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點解會學tort咁奇怪?:smile_o08:
我睇下咁講你明唔明 :smile_o13:
1. identify legal issues
單case個dispute 系咩 --> 人地嘈咩,個judge需要答咩問題 (因為每單case個judge都需要答個問題,佢個答案就系ju ... [/quote]
開始明明地  謝謝你:smile_o12::smile_o09:

cyw1226 2012-10-29 18:24

[quote]原帖由 [i]餅帥[/i] 於 2012-10-25 07:53 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=345754685&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
case唔難...legal writing先難..:smile_o16: [/quote]
legal writing係點咖?


我都有興趣讀law:smile_35:

有冇examples? :$:$

cyw1226 2012-10-29 18:26

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點解會學tort咁奇怪?:smile_o08:
我睇下咁講你明唔明 :smile_o13:
1. identify legal issues
單case個dispute 系咩 --> 人地嘈咩,個judge需要答咩問題 (因為每單case個judge都需要答個問題,佢個答案就系ju ... [/quote]
中學生未開始讀應該睇咩先??:$

解蟲 2012-10-29 22:42

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中學生未開始讀應該睇咩先??:$ [/quote]
無話應該開始讀咩先,真系跟你興趣走,當然前提系你要知道court hierarchy & 咩court搭咩court
你有無邊個area特別有興趣?e.g. Family, Criminal, Tort, Contract, Land, Trust, Company, Public & Admin.................
如果無咩特別preference, 只系想知HK law基礎:
1. An Introduction to the Hong Kong Legal System - Peter Wesley-Smith
2. The Hong Kong Legal System - Stefan H C Lo, Wing Hong Chui
個人推薦(1)多d,少d廢話,handy, library有得借


如果系外國law既話,建議你抽日去中央9樓d 櫃度企下 :smile_o13:

jimbo86 2012-10-30 02:37

reason is when u argue infront of a judge or  your opponent  u need to speak the language he understands, so daily style is not going to work.
u need facts & law to support u.
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legal writing係點咖?


我都有興趣讀law:smile_35:

有冇examples? :$:$ [/quote]

rasswaa

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cyw1226 2012-10-30 23:13

[quote]原帖由 [i]解蟲[/i] 於 2012-10-29 10:42 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=346151987&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

無話應該開始讀咩先,真系跟你興趣走,當然前提系你要知道court hierarchy & 咩court搭咩court
你有無邊個area特別有興趣?e.g. Family, Criminal, Tort, Contract, Land, Trust, Company, Public & Admin....... ... [/quote]
我睇過小小Family law ge 書都算ok明, 但company law睇唔明...其他未睇過

NKH2006 2012-10-31 19:52

[quote]原帖由 [i]cyw1226[/i] 於 2012-10-29 18:26 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=346133443&ptid=21030615][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
中學生未開始讀應該睇咩先?? [/quote]
[quote]原帖由 [i]解蟲[/i] 於 2012-10-29 22:42 發表
如果無咩特別preference, 只系想知HK law基礎:
1. An Introduction to the Hong Kong Legal System - Peter Wesley-Smith
2. The Hong Kong Legal System - Stefan H C Lo, Wing Hong Chui
個人推薦(1)多d,少d廢話,handy, library有得借[/quote]

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cyw1226 2012-11-1 23:04

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