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clementinus 2013-1-12 02:38

唔好再學「一句不能有兩個動詞」喇!
否則如何理解這類句子 ?

[u]Having been troubled [/u]by injury for more than a year and [u]being put [/u]into the reserve team, Keeble [u]was released [/u]by Colchester in 2003 after [u]not being offered [/u]a new contract

呢句有幾多個「動詞」?
咁只會越學越亂。

要搞清楚,動詞有以下各種基本形式,
以下各種基本形式的動詞,都是動詞。



[b]
直述式 indicative:表達一個事實[/b]
[b]====================[/b]
三時四態二語氣

[b]主動[/b]
時\態   簡單       進行       完成       完成進行
過去   I had    I was doing    I had done        I had been doing      
現在     I do     I am doing    I have done    I have been doing    
未來      I will do  I will be doing  I will have done I will have been doing
    [ also: I am going to do]

[b]被動[/b]
時\態   簡單       進行           完成           完成進行
過去   I was hurt   I was being hurt   I had been hurt  [無/少用]      
現在     I am hurt    I am being hurt   I have been hurt     [無/少用]    
未來     I will be hurt  [無/少用]        I will have been hurt  [無/少用]
    [ also: I am going to be hurt]


[b]
虛擬式 subjunctive : 表達願望,假設
====================
[/b]Example 1. If I [b]were [/b]you, I [b]would not do [/b]it.

Example 2. "And if he [b]be [/b]not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass..."
*此為古老用法,現已不用

Example 3. I [b]would like [/b]to have a cup of tea.

*虛擬式也可以有分時與態還有主動/被動語氣,只要明白虛擬式如何構成,不難推出其餘各種形式。


[b]不定式 infinitive : [/b]通常用來補充之前那個動詞的意思,例如"我想" + "做" I want [u]to do [/u]something.
[b][b]====================[/b]
[/b]
Example 1. I want [b]to play [/b]a game
Example 2.[b] To be [/b]or [b]not to be[/b], this is the question.
Example 3. Tom agreed [b]to help [/b]me*不定式可以有主動與被動的:
[u]To be born[/u] again means [u]to have [/u]a new life.  [ to be born 是被動; to have 是主動 ]

偶爾也可以有 [u]to have done [/u]something (before another event happens) 之類的用法,但初學者知道有就算。

[b]
分詞 Participle : 發揮著名詞或形容詞功能的動詞形式[/b]
[b][b][b]====================[/b][/b]

[/b]present participle active: doing
past participle active: having done

present participle passive: being hurt
past participle passive: having been hurt

這裡的present/past, 跟現在時過去時無關,單純表達"同時發生"定係"較早發生"
現在分詞,表達同時,即A與B同時發生
過去分詞,表達先時,即B先於A發生

用法
1. 發揮形容詞功能   - > The [b]rising [/b]sun.

2. 類似 to infinitive, 補充前面動詞的意思  -> I love [b]swimming[/b].

3. 構成分詞詞組,整個詞組描述句子主語:
-> [u]Sitting at my computer[/u], I look out the window
分詞詞組,修飾主詞 I
-> [u]Having been hurt deeply by his family[/u], he may be reluctant to contact his parents
留意這個例子,是過去分詞,而且是被動分詞,即是那件事件早於主句發生。
分詞詞組,修飾主詞 he
-> The man, [u]having lost his wife and son[/u], was terribly depressed and lonely.


[b]


命令式 imperative : 表達命令[/b]
[b]====================[/b]
[b]Be[/b] quiet!
Guys, [b]be [/b]nice to your girlfriends !


[b]祈願式 Optative[/b]: 表達願望
[b]====================[/b]
Thanks [b]be [/b]to the Lord
To God [b]be [/b]the Glory,
God [b]save [/b]the Queen   [不是 saves ! ]
都是比較舊式的用法,知下就好。

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朱古力熊仔餅 2013-1-12 03:46

[quote]原帖由 [i]clementinus[/i] 於 2013-1-12 02:38 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351569783&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
唔好再學「一句不能有兩個動詞」喇!
否則如何理解這類句子 ?

Having been troubled by injury for more than a year and being put into the reserve team, Keeble was released by Colchester in 2003 after n ... [/quote]
我都聽過「一句不能有兩個動詞」, 不過我理解爲「一個phrase/clause不能有兩個動詞」
我嘗試拆下你個example:
[u][Having been troubled [/u]by injury for more than a year](第一個phrase) and [[u]being put [/u]into the reserve team,](第二phrase, 呢兩個phrase加埋係modify後面既主句子) [Keeble [u]was released [/u]by Colchester in 2003](第三個phrase, 句子既重點) after [[u]not being offered [/u]a new contract](modifier)
如果咁樣將原本好複雜既句子拆成4段, 咁每個fragment都只有一個動詞

second attempt:
原本example裡面複雜既句子係由4句野合埋一齊, 所以還原基本步, 將之一分爲四:
1) Keeble have been troubled by injury for more than a year.
2) Keeble was being put into the reserve team.
3) Keeble was not being offered a new contract.
4) Keeble was released by Colchester in 2003. <---主句子
1)-3)句都係用黎modify 4)呢個主句子, 每一句都係完整sentence, 每一句都只有一個動詞 (不過係超級十分"累墜";P )

所以小妺覺得問題係大家唔識拆句子, 所以先覺得長長既句子難理解:smile_35:

利申: 其實小妺都唔係好清楚fragment, clause, phrase, modifier呢D語言學名詞既定義同分別係咩, 順手就攞左黎用, 有錯請指點:smile_35:

星海揚帆 2013-1-12 10:06

[quote]原帖由 [i]clementinus[/i] 於 2013-1-12 02:38 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351569783&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
[u]Having been troubled [/u]by injury for more than a year and [u]being put [/u]into the reserve team, Keeble [u]was released [/u]by Colchester in 2003 after [u]not being offered [/u]a new contract[/quote]

呢句野寫得咁差

我是山人 2013-1-12 15:24

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呢句野寫得咁差 [/quote]

句嘢冇問題喎.

clementinus 2013-1-12 21:00

[quote]原帖由 [i]朱古力熊仔餅[/i] 於 2013-1-11 08:46 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351571322&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

我都聽過「一句不能有兩個動詞」, 不過我理解爲「一個phrase/clause不能有兩個動詞」
我嘗試拆下你個example: [/quote]

問題是,這樣對動詞的理解太過狹窄,難易容納 infinitive, participle 之類。

所以成日至會有人開帖問,點解呢句有幾個動詞,果句又有幾個動詞。

clementinus 2013-1-12 21:05

[quote]原帖由 [i]星海揚帆[/i] 於 2013-1-12 03:06 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351580370&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
呢句野寫得咁差 [/quote]

例句我隨便找而已,他日再補些例子。

lofe123 2013-1-13 00:38

[quote]原帖由 [i]朱古力熊仔餅[/i] 於 2013-1-12 03:46 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351571322&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

我都聽過「一句不能有兩個動詞」, 不過我理解爲「一個phrase/clause不能有兩個動詞」
我嘗試拆下你個example:
[Having been troubled by injury for more than a year](第一個phrase) and [being put int ... [/quote]
:smile_42: 睇到咁長 我真係理解唔到 我英文好差  仲係玩緊s+v+o呢個玩法  仲味識點樣將句子連到好長

clementinus 2013-1-13 01:52

[quote]原帖由 [i]lofe123[/i] 於 2013-1-12 05:38 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351633406&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
睇到咁長 我真係理解唔到 我英文好差  仲係玩緊s+v+o呢個玩法  仲味識點樣將句子連到好長 [/quote]

請重看上文關於分詞的簡介:

-> [u][b]Having been hurt [/b]deeply by his family[/u], he may be reluctant to contact his parents
留意這個例子,是過去分詞,而且是被動分詞,即是那件事件早於主句發生。
分詞詞組,修飾主詞 he
-> The man, [u][b]having lost [/b]his wife and son[/u], was terribly depressed and lonely.

hjhjhjhjhjhj 2013-1-13 04:59

我一早都唔會再用"一句不能有兩個動詞"呢個解釋去話人聽英文係點,因為就係太過狹窄,好似版主講咁,你咁既解釋就差唔多喇

英文唔係"一句不能有兩個動詞"咁簡單,當中就好多複雜既結構,係要日常多睇,多理解,多學習,係要浸淫返黎既

HFinn 2013-1-13 09:59

可否寫個致頂貼講解文法?

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clementinus 2013-1-13 22:58

[quote]原帖由 [i]raimond1[/i] 於 2013-1-13 08:23 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351665842&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Why put the word "being" there? [/quote]

為何不明白,又會覺得寫得差?

三個都[b]被動[/b]分詞,
其中兩個是現在分詞,表示「同時」,與主句同時發生,
而第一個分詞是過去分詞,表示先於主句發生:
[b][color=Teal]Having been troubled[/color] [/b]by injury for more than a year and [color=Blue][b]being put [/b][/color]into the reserve team, Keeble was released by Colchester in 2003 after not [color=Blue][b]being offered [/b][/color]a new contract

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clementinus 2013-1-13 23:44

我看錯,不好意思,

is put 本身有之前發生了然後一直保持如此的意思。
如 have been done 與 is done 的分別。

那麼,頭兩個都是先時。

發生次序應該如下:
[b][color=Teal]1. Having been troubled[/color] [/b]by injury for more than a year and [color=Blue][b]being put [/b][/color]into the reserve team
2. not [color=Blue][b]being offered [/b][/color]a new contract
3. Keeble was released by Colchester in 2003

有遠因,亦有近因。

[[i] 本帖最後由 clementinus 於 2013-1-13 04:47 PM 編輯 [/i]]

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clementinus 2013-1-14 13:37

[quote]原帖由 [i]raimond1[/i] 於 2013-1-14 03:32 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351727148&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
So you still think that it is right to put the word "being" there? [/quote]

I don't notice any problem yet.

Or, how are you going to correct the sentence?

vinylly 2013-1-14 13:42

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I don't notice any problem yet.

Or, how are you going to correct the sentence? [/quote]

Having been troubled by injury for more than a year and put into the reserve team, Keeble was released by Colchester in 2003 after not being offered a new contract.

there.

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clementinus 2013-1-15 09:19

Just Sinicized English, please ignore.

But the question is, why is "having been put" the only correct answer?

We can always say "being put in a bad position", and do not really have to say "having been put in a bad position".

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無奈的決定 2013-1-15 21:02

[quote]原帖由 [i]raimond1[/i] 於 2013-1-14 10:32 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351727148&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
So you still think that it is right to put the word "being" there? [/quote]

It is not wrong, I think.
after offered and after being offered mean the same thing.

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discuss-talk 2013-1-16 05:58

The study of English is an art, not an exact science.

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Feeyonce 2013-1-16 19:58

[quote]原帖由 [i]clementinus[/i] 於 2013-1-12 02:38 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351569783&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
[b]虛擬式 subjunctive : 表達願望,假設
====================
[/b]Example 1. If I [b]were [/b]you, I [b]would not do [/b]it.

Example 2. "And if he [b]be [/b]not able to bring a lamb, then he shall bring for his trespass..."
*此為古老用法,現已不用
[b]祈願式 Optative[/b]: 表達願望
[b]====================[/b]

Thanks [b]be [/b]to the Lord
To God [b]be [/b]the Glory,
God [b]save [/b]the Queen   [不是 saves ! ]
都是比較舊式的用法,知下就好。



[/quote]

無人叫個啲做Optative喎, 十本有九本都係叫Subjunctive, 你無啦啦整多樣野出來, 本身不明白的人就更不明白啦。

[quote]
Subjunctives are also used in certain fixed phrases:
God bless you.
Long live the King!
God save the Queen!
Heaven forbid.
Oxford Practical usage
[/quote]



that it be 個啲唔係古老用法,係Formal Style,美國先有, 英國style 係that it should be
It was important/essential/necessary/suggested etc. that he be polite.           (ArE)
It was xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  that he should be polite. (BrE)

fishyfish888 2013-1-16 20:00

[quote]原帖由 [i]raimond1[/i] 於 2013-1-16 05:30 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351891617&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]

Unfortunately some people use that as an excuse when they make grammatical mistakes. It is only an art if you know the language well. [/quote]

[color=darkorchid][b]師兄講咗咁耐, 唔知可唔可以為呢句寫上更好的寫法給大家學習呢? 其實我一直等緊師兄賜教呢...[/b][/color] [img=19,19]http://i.uwants.com/u/images/smilies/default/icon23.gif[/img]

[quote]原帖由 [i]clementinus[/i] 於 2013-1-12 09:05 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351617052&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


例句我隨便找而已,他日再補些例子。 [/quote]

另外, 版主講咗他日佢會補上些更好例子, 師兄可以放心:loveliness:

joemanstar 2013-1-16 20:09

[quote]原帖由 [i]raimond1[/i] 於 2013-1-14 10:32 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=351727148&ptid=21369483][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
So you still think that it is right to put the word "being" there? [/quote]
absolutely right and correct

the player didn't requested to be sidelined or demoted to that reserve team. the head coach made the call.



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