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rainny135 2013-5-28 12:03

Hi all,

Have anyone heard that there's PCLL graduate could not able to obtain a TC (I am excluing those people do not plan to be lawyer after PCLL)? I am so frustrated and hopeless during the whole TC hunting process through out this year, I am not able to have much interviews and being challenged by the partners that I do not have any legal background.

As a matured candidate I expected it would be harder for me to find TC in this current compeititive field, but also because I am a matured student, I am keen on changing my career to legal field.  My current work has no connection to law and I have be advised by partner that I should work as a paralegal before find a TC.

However, at this stage it seems very unrealistic for me to look for paralegal as I am graduating from PCLL soon.  Is there any case that PCLL graduate still need to do paralegal?  I am not young anymore, if I have to do paralegal, I do not know how long I need to do so that the firm think I have "enough" legal experience so that they could give me an TC offer, or by that time they will still think I am too old as a trainee....

The clock is ticking, now I am graduating from PCLL, with no TC, was always thought if I tried my best to get into PCLL, I should be fine.... this turned out to be untrue... I never think a "Trainee" required experience (though, I admit its helps, but I do not think it is a must)

It seems like a dead end after graduating from PCLL....  all the efforts I paid for this past 5 years seems useless, all I can get is nothing but wasting all my time, energy and money =(

Wanna ask for more advice if I really need to find a paralegal work for a year and then find TC in 2014.  For your reference, I only aim for small to medium local firm and I have sent out over 100 applications.  

Thanks!!

LLB1234 2013-5-28 12:38

It does not make sense to work as a paralegal after passing PCLL.  The only reason for the firm to suggest that is to save a few thousand dollars on salary.

If you have been invited for interviews, that means your CV looks ok. Probably, you missed something during the interview. Were you dressed properly? Did you say something inappropriate?

May I ask what are your background and your academic results?

Suggest you re-apply after the PCLL results are released.  Small firms do not issue offers conditional upon passing of PCLL.

Good luck!

成年人^ 2013-5-28 12:59

Dun worry. this isn't news at all. actually, this industry is incapable to absorb all the PCLL graduates, particularly you have no experience/ connection; more importantly, the economy is wilting.

A mild advice to those who would like to pursue their dream as a lawyer, unless you have excellent result from a strong institution OR impressive and professional work experience OR excellent connection with law firms, dun invest time and $$$ in reading Law.

pinoir 2013-5-28 13:00

I am sorry to hear about your situation. As a mature student myself I know how you feel.
However, the lack of legal background sounds like an excuse to me. After all, how much legal background can a fresh graduate have before he/she apply for a TC? Now that you have come this far, I see no reason why you should give up, no, not after giving it another really good try. Working as a paralegal gives you the opportunity to establish a network within the industry, which may help you landing a TC. If this is all you can do now, by all means do it while hunting for your TC. Here is a question for you. Why 'lack of legal background' but not 'good commercial sense' or 'very knowledgeable in a particular field'? Is it possible to package your previous career in a way that adds value to your future employer?

rainny135 2013-5-28 13:51

[quote]原帖由 [i]LLB1234[/i] 於 2013-5-28 12:38 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=362924352&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
It does not make sense to work as a paralegal after passing PCLL.  The only reason for the firm to suggest that is to save a few thousand dollars on salary.

If you have been invited for interviews, ... [/quote]

I obtained CPE w commendation. My first degree was overseas uni though don't think it count.

I dressed full gear suit to all interviews, one small firm the partner told me they can't hire me bc I have no legal background as they r too small, the other firm was quite decent and they interview many candidates so I think I am not competitive enough



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rainny135 2013-5-28 13:59

[quote]原帖由 [i]pinoir[/i] 於 2013-5-28 01:00 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=362926199&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
I am sorry to hear about your situation. As a mature student myself I know how you feel.
However, the lack of legal background sounds like an excuse to me. After all, how much legal background can a  ... [/quote]
Totally agreed!  我感覺個情況係一個想做實習醫生ge candidate比人reject因為佢冇做過護士 :O make no sense at all but its the bloody true as I am still have nothing now!!

My age is a problem too one firm tried to call off an interview after asked my birthday !!!!!! T_T

It is v sad, before I studied CPE I did research and known that legal professional would allow mature candidate to enter the field, that's one of the reason I picked law! And now like everywhere嫌我老!why not PCLL set a bar for people over 30 if the truth is that this industry simply would not pick candidate over 30!!



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LLB1234 2013-5-28 14:20

Previous education is relevant expecially for those who did CPE or London U LLB.

What is/was your occupation?

I remember some law firms post trainee recruitment notices in the notice boards. Do they still do the same?

Don't give up and continue to send out your applications!

kennis04 2013-5-28 15:36

Dont worry, you can keep sending your applications, i have fds got their TC around xmas, just dont give up:smile_38:

maumau 2013-5-28 17:59

How much are you asking? I heard some firms can only afford around $12k and will trash all CVs that requested higher.:smile_27:

Be realistic, it is already too late to apply for "medium" firms such as YXT etc... Have you try those smaller firms outside Central?

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rainny135 2013-5-28 19:43

[quote]原帖由 [i]maumau[/i] 於 2013-5-28 05:59 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=362952082&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
How much are you asking? I heard some firms can only afford around $12k and will trash all CVs that requested higher.:smile_27:

Be realistic, it is already too late to apply for "medium" firms suc ... [/quote]

I didn't state my expected salary unless the recruitment ad asked for.

I basically applied every recruitment post regardless of its size. I have sent out bunch of application to other firms which did not have recruitment post.

For me YxT is a big firm already, I applied firms mostly w maximum 3 x partners



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rainny135 2013-5-28 19:45

[quote]原帖由 [i]LLB1234[/i] 於 2013-5-28 02:20 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=362933071&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Previous education is relevant expecially for those who did CPE or London U LLB.

What is/was your occupation?

I remember some law firms post trainee recruitment notices in the notice boards. Do ... [/quote]

Yes there's recruitment notice and I applied everything. All my interviews were from there, those I applied by sent out randomly to the firm which had no recruitment notice had zero feedback.

My current occupation is PR/Marketing related, so have nothing related to law



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EB9391 2013-5-28 21:00

For mature candidate, it is better to train as a barrister.



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小小酥 2013-5-28 21:51

simply put, age discrimination and over-supply of cheap labor



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pafatkee 2013-5-28 23:57

maybe you should try to put your expected salary in your cv. if you are willing to work as a cheap labour, i don't think you will have no tc offer.
the point is. if you don't state your expected salary in your cv, with your age and background, the employer will probably guess that you are expecting a decent pay which they cannot afford.

jimbo86 2013-5-29 01:20

Working as a paralegal gives you the opportunity to establish a network within the industry, which may help you landing a TC.
that could be your only option, since u wanna to get into the system.
hopefully in 6 mths u find something better when working as paralegal.
if i were u i would go as far as volunteer to gain experiences. just work your way up slowly.

645837 2013-5-29 21:28

12k??? in hong kong dollars??

+heart530+ 2013-5-30 00:23

maybe you can reflect on your failure.  some people who are old still manage to get good contracts.  think about the difference between you and them.  think about what you can do to make yourself more employable.  a master degree in law?  additional experience?  alternative experience?  the important thing is to turn yourself into someone a boss would like to hire because you can help.

+heart530+ 2013-5-30 00:23

maybe you can reflect on your failure.  some people who are old still manage to get good contracts.  think about the difference between you and them. &nbsp ...

maumau 2013-5-30 01:10

[quote]原帖由 [i]645837[/i] 於 2013-5-29 09:28 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=363068341&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
12k??? in hong kong dollars?? [/quote]
Yes, HK$12k pm, I am afraid the Gini coefficient is rather high in the legal profession.

pinoir 2013-5-30 03:01

It has come to my attention that the OP is only in his early thirties, in my view it is not at all 'old'. Seriously I don't think age discrimination is very much of concern here.

pinoir 2013-5-30 03:01

It has come to my attention that the OP is only in his early thirties, in my view it is not at all 'old'. Seriously I don't think age discrimination is very much of concern here.

明德格物.. 2013-5-30 14:01

只是比個建議你。我識人MNC manager 美國番來讀law, 實習完十幾萬一個月仲有牌升. 經驗?一年都唔洗

rainny135 2013-5-30 15:49

I accept there are special cases and there are many outstanding candidates. i will say its case by case, what I am saying is, mature student w no relevant experience is an obstacle, I will work hard and try my best.  I am open minded to accept any comment and thanks for all your sharing.

But I just wanna know if there cases that graduate unable to obtain TC, and I am struggling if I need to quit my current job to work as paralegal first, as it is quite risky that I am not sure how much paralegal experience will be a firm expecting from me



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fdfdatg 2013-5-30 19:08

Is an offer tc of relatively low salary better than an offer of paralegal? What do other ching ctse think?



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CrossRoader 2013-5-30 22:14

呢條友好煩 可唔可以唔好攞d大家都知嘅野出黎講 仲要咁串 how do you even survive in the office? assuming you are one of us



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成年人^ 2013-5-30 23:29

[quote]原帖由 [i]fdfdatg[/i] 於 2013-5-30 07:08 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=363149393&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Is an offer tc of relatively low salary better than an offer of paralegal? What do other ching ctse think?



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Even a TC with NO salary, I would pick it up so long as I can make a living throughout that couple of years. But an offer of paralegal is not that bad.

jimbo86 2013-5-31 00:33

he/she need to listen to zig ziglar to get motivated.
or can do something else at 7-11 and be the head cashier.

盧吉道 2013-5-31 02:01

[quote]原帖由 [i]rainny135[/i] 於 2013-5-30 03:49 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=363133893&ptid=21970431][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url] But I just wanna know if there cases that graduate unable to obtain TC, and I am struggling if I need to quit my current job to work as paralegal first, as it is quite risky that I am not sure how much paralegal experience will be a firm expecting from me [/quote]

There are people who die at the age of 3.  There are people who win the lottery at first attempt.  The fact that bad things or good things can happen to others doesn't mean they must happen to you.  So, with all due respect, you really should stop asking about what happen to other people who are not you, and focus on your own career.

jimbo86 2013-6-1 00:30

the truth really hurts, but sometimes we wonder how a person can get this far?

LLL817 2013-6-2 15:55

Do you have interviews? Have you tried to review your own interview performance?
I have lots of friends that they do not mind retaining trainees who were matured students ... and I don't mind either.
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