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kelvin37908897 2013-9-15 11:53

我從小自願就係做律師,我依加就係2014dse考生,我想大個就番中國做律師,因為屋企生意都係大陸,我想知中國政法係咪好難入,讀完前景如何?大陸做律師人工又點??希望幫下手,因為我唔想去英國讀法律,而我自己成績就中等,估計dse會係4.4.3.4.5



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jimbo86 2013-9-15 13:43

only future to be a lawyer in middle kingdom is an outside grad and works with an outside firm.

amychiu 2013-9-16 11:13

大陸律師既地位不如香港既高, 唔係你想像中咁好!

kelvin37908897 2013-9-16 11:52

咁薪金方面點樣?



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mmljf 2013-9-16 19:56

內地當然有高有低 內地要做律師要考司法考試 跟住揾間firm實習一年俾個律師簽經驗先可以正式有個律師牌 人工好睇個人 有後台幾多錢都有得你揾 經驗不多應該4000-10000 實習個一年註定人工極低



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amychiu 2013-9-16 20:08

響大陸讀法律並不易, 可能仲比英國痛苦. 英國讀common law, 大陸係civil law, 跟本係唔同既體制.

大陸唔係司法獨立, 司法係要黎服務國家, 做訴訟無咩發展可言.  至於做事務上既野, 各地方政府都可能有唔同既規定, 以你係外地人黎講, 好難有地頭蟲既優勢(不熟當地規定, 無人脈關係).

司法局係規管法院, 律師, 同埋監獄.... 律師同監犯在某D人眼中都差不多係同類,  至於收入, 有人脈就有途徑搵錢, 呢方面我唔知. 律師唔係高尚既職業.

jimbo86 2013-9-17 02:04

pop a few more fing tau pills and u be more happier.

yiyiallall 2013-9-17 09:40

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pop a few more fing tau pills and u be more happier. [/quote]
你條友都安七九:Q

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jimbo86 2013-9-17 10:18

look u no need to use language that cannot be repeated in public. I take your behaviour is unbecoming of a solicitor.
if u're so smart u should be very rich by now and no need to be here at all.
And should be crawling into bed with your concubines.
this kid is totally naive. As he thinks there will be equitable justice being dispensed in a middle kingdom court!
So if u disagree with my statement u are also gullible too. If Neville Chamberlain is still alive today will probably be his right hand man.  

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你條友都安七九:Q [/quote]

jimbo86 2013-9-17 10:34

Even Law firm in Middle kingdom  get raided by Police too, thats very much unheard of in other jurisdictions.

kingme 2013-9-17 11:14

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你條友都安七九:Q [/quote]

笑死我...
I prefer onlinex2...:smile_30:

kingme 2013-9-17 11:27

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響大陸讀法律並不易, 可能仲比英國痛苦. 英國讀common law, 大陸係civil law, 跟本係唔同既體制.

大陸唔係司法獨立, 司法係要黎服務國家, 做訴訟無咩發展可言.  至於做事務上既野, 各地方政府都可能有唔同既規定, ... [/quote]

yes la...china lawyer is worthless...

but...there is always opportunity in instability...

wasing 2013-9-17 14:18

哈哈。。你屋企生意係大陸咁有事既時候你搵香港律師定大陸律師?唔好亂咁聽人講國內訴訟冇發展,一個律師牌可以走遍全中國。同香港做律師唔同既係,國內做律師要自己搵生意,唔似香港律師咁坐定定等人上門,但係國內自己既生意係自己既,一般同律師樓分五五,有本事可以分到七三。人工多少就睇你本事喇。

ps.我05年就返大陸讀法學。

jimbo86 2013-9-17 14:59

國內做律師要自己搵生意

yes u have to tell them what are your connections , so unless u have a solid backing who would retain u?


,唔似香港律師咁坐定定等人上門,但係國內自己既生意係自己既,一般同律師樓分五五,有本事可以分到七三
Sure one can negotiate the deal as one wants it. That also depends on what kind of support they gave u. If they are paying lots for rent then u do have to chip in more or else why would anybody want a boat anchor on their back?

。人工多少就睇你本事喇。 is connection, connection & connection.
If a person has the right connection do they need a Lawyer license?

amychiu 2013-9-17 19:16

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哈哈。。你屋企生意係大陸咁有事既時候你搵香港律師定大陸律師?唔好亂咁聽人講國內訴訟冇發展,一個律師牌可以走遍全中國。同香港做律師唔同既係,國內做律師要自己搵生意,唔似香港律師咁坐定定等人上門,但係國內 ... [/quote]

訴訟只可以話限於民商事既案, 有D案內國律師會怕得罪D有權有勢人士, 而唔敢接.

前幾年個位盲既維權律師陳XX, 點解佢要出走美國? 因為接左D維權案而受迫害, 佢只係一個盲人, 堂堂強國怕佢咩?

一旦司法局唔妥你, 隨時唔發個牌俾你, 律師係服務國家既, 唔講法治.

mmljf 2013-9-17 21:17

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look u no need to use language that cannot be repeated in public. I take your behaviour is unbecoming of a solicitor.
if u're so smart u should be very rich by now and no need to be here at all.
An ... [/quote]

genuine sense of humour…nice haha



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jimbo86 2013-9-17 23:26

This Lawyer is forever on exile, last heard he went to Formosa.
The US school didnt work out for him.
Certain case is better not to take and cause no end of aggravations. At the moment there is a Lo oi and his chinese wife both are moved to a gated community, they are known business lobbyists. They have been in Middle kingdom for close to 20ys. He thought he has some solid connection to make everything possible and somehow this time his Icaric feat didnt work. For some unknown reason operating Private Investigator in MK is not easy at all. They all think with a foreign passport he could invoke his diplomatic immunity any time he wants. But just didnt work this very last time.
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訴訟只可以話限於民商事既案, 有D案內國律師會怕得罪D有權有勢人士, 而唔敢接.

前幾年個位盲既維權律師陳XX, 點解佢要出走美國? 因為接左D維權案而受迫害, 佢只係一個盲人, 堂堂強國怕佢咩?

一旦司法局唔妥 ... [/quote]

jimbo86 2013-9-17 23:28

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genuine sense of humour…nice haha

thats the very reason why some lawyers can win in court.



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amychiu 2013-9-18 09:57

律師在大陸唔係咩高尚職業, D人搵你打官司會expect你識D法官, 必要時要疏通疏通, 操守成疑, 千祈唔好將大陸D律師, 睇到好似香港個D咁高尚.

jimbo86 2013-9-18 23:11

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/world/asia/verdict-for-chinese-official-bo-xilai.html?ref=global-home&_r=0[/url]

is interesting he represented the case himself, whether nobody really wanted to represented him. It can be very stressful to handle such a big case, most time are a big team  and the work are all divided up to small segments.

workandwork 2013-9-20 22:40

你講到好似大陸只係有維權案 lol
你究竟知唔知大陸司法考試有幾多份卷,考幾多科? 只係識講報紙講既,係人都識講喇lol



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kiyeah1985 2013-9-24 00:44

[quote]原帖由 [i]kelvin37908897[/i] 於 2013-9-15 11:53 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=371660539&ptid=22438869][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
我從小自願就係做律師,我依加就係2014dse考生,我想大個就番中國做律師,因為屋企生意都係大陸,我想知中國政法係咪好難入,讀完前景如何?大陸做律師人工又點??希望幫下手,因為我唔想去英國讀法律,而我自己成績 ... [/quote]

善用搜索功能
之前都好多中國政法同埋PRC律師的post可以搵番黎睇

jimbo86 2013-9-24 10:37

I totally agree with u, except in middle kingdom one can choose easy way or hard way.
Easy way is leave enough $$ bills with the answer sheet or u write lots on the answer sheet.
$$ will guarantee a pass and even with all the right answers one may not.

[quote]原帖由 [i]workandwork[/i] 於 2013-9-20 10:40 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=372033752&ptid=22438869][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url] 你講到好似大陸只係有維權案 lol 你究竟知唔知大陸司法考試有幾多份卷,考幾多科? 只係識講報紙講既,係人都識講喇lol [img]http://i.discuss.com.hk/d/images/r10/androidD.jpg[/img] [/quote]

yiyiallall 2013-9-24 12:05

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I totally agree with u, except in middle kingdom one can choose easy way or hard way.
Easy way is leave enough $$ bills with the answer sheet or u write lots on the answer sheet.
$$ will guarantee a ... [/quote]

what you said is not true, and so unfair to those who have passed the difficult qualifying exams.  

shame on you

workandwork 2013-9-25 07:06

呢個世界有兩種可悲既人,無恥同無知。你個人好可悲...乜都唔知就扮代表, 你知唔知司法考試既passing rate 係幾多?



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kingme 2013-9-25 08:24

所謂on99 冇着數...所以其實冇乜所謂...

不過係見到擺到明呃人...係仲有啲良心過意唔去...

所以話...呢行有良心嘅都好多...至少唔會特登害你...呢個係做呢行必需嘅...

jimbo86 2013-9-25 11:37

do u have as much privilege as lawyers in HK, UK or US of A. ?
A lot of big contracts are not signed in middle kingdom,  signed either in HK or Singapore.
I feel solly u had to went through the hard way.
if everything is exactly as advertised then why people have to buy milk formula from Hk and pay a premium? u think they just have too much money to blow?
Do I feel very proud about all these disparaging news from middle kingdom?
The only consolation is one won't be able to commit suicide if to swallow rat poison from MK.
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呢個世界有兩種可悲既人,無恥同無知。你個人好可悲...乜都唔知就扮代表, 你知唔知司法考試既passing rate 係幾多?



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於往事嘅陳小肥 2013-9-26 10:29

小肥又黎啦 ...

首先想講講 ... 配方粉英文唔係叫 milk formula.

第二, 中國個中應該係用 centre (center 都得) 或 central.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 話 Kingdom commonly refers to:
A monarchy ruled by a king or queen
Kingdom (biology), a category in biological taxonomy
Kingdom of God, a foundational concept in the three Abrahamic religions
唔好係唔係都用 dom 先得格.

言歸正傳, 小肥同大家分享下一 d 背景資料 (純粹一家之言); 有錯要插, 記得用中文, 小肥英文唔好.  

80 年代開放後, 因為國人對法律認知落後與外國, 鼓勵及推廣以仲裁解決糾紛

80 年代末左右, 國內律師事務所開始容許民辦.  
同期大量私人律師事務所建立.  
其中不小國內律師背景雄厚, 多持雙學位或研究生, 甚至博士生資格.
在英, 美名牌大學讀碩者更不在小數.
很多原政府機關 (如某某對外法律第某所之類) 更是對外經驗豐富, 本身實力超然.

90 年代初, 開始有香港律師係國內開聯絡處.

根住係分享下:

國內律師的業務並不只限於民刑兩方面, 還有商業, 海事等等, 與國外同行並無顯注分別.

國內律師除了公檢法的問題外, 往往還受制於地方保護主意.  然而, 近年一批批有能力的律師, 開始玩異地行事, 開始向地方保護主意發起挑戰.

說到制肘, 全世界邊度無, 無論英, 美, 香港; 舉例, 香港有幾多律師肯告銀行.  美國 ... 有無睇過 run away jury 呀.

說到拼爹, 拼背景, 勿二代; 又邊道會無.

說到背景, 無須多講; 話除左中國, 其他地方無 ge, 小肥只會恭喜你一直生活係個象牙塔裏面.

說到咩大合約唔係國內簽黎證明 d 乜乜物物, 好明顯係低級錯誤.  

說到能力, 野雞大學無得講.  合理 ge 大學本課, 想入都唔係咁容易, 僧多粥少, 拼爹 ... 大把人有個好老竇.  考律師試本雞精, 起碼兩本家庭電話電話簿咁厚.  本科生, 臨尾, 十居其九都重要進行對答.  還有, 好多二代律師唔係得個本科學位 ... 哩樣, 香港落後好多, 起碼澳洲都要雙學位讀, 唔好話花旗勒.

第一, 可以證明到 d 乜乜物物呢.  
第二, 係邊度簽約, 用變度法律, 由變度管轄, 係商業決定, 係根據需要甚至宣傳策略決定.  
第三, 識睇會問 ... 合約 ge 適用法律, 管轄排他同最重要係有無仲裁條款.

到返下題:

(1) 我想知中國政法係咪好難入 -
小肥會話做下 research 啦, research 係律師基本工作.
(2) 讀完前景如何
小肥會話路係人行出黎 ge, 諱首諱尾點做律師.
(3) 大陸做律師人工又點
小肥會話: 個人能力同客戶質量.  純粹搵錢 ge, 幫屋企攪好間廠重實在.
(4) 因為我唔想去英國讀法律 -
若果係怕離鄉別井 ge - 小肥會話應該志在四方.
若果係語文能力 ge - 小肥會話始終要面對四方.
(5) 而我自己成績就中等
小肥會話諗下有咩理由可以令到人地會收你.

於往事嘅陳小肥 2013-9-26 10:42

Sorry, 未食藥, 太多 bug, 出多次, 有改有加 (費時俾人誤會小肥想縮沙)

小肥又黎啦 ...

首先想講講 ... 配方粉英文唔係叫 milk formula.

第二, 中國個中應該係用 centre (center 都得) 或 central.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 話 Kingdom commonly refers to:
A monarchy ruled by a king or queen
Kingdom (biology), a category in biological taxonomy
Kingdom of God, a foundational concept in the three Abrahamic religions
唔好係唔係都用 dom 先得格.

言歸正傳, 小肥同大家分享下一 d 背景資料 (純粹一家之言); 有錯要插, 記得用中文, 小肥英文唔好.  

80 年代開放後, 因為國人對法律認知落後於外國, 經常蝕底俾人, 所以鼓勵及推廣以仲裁解決糾紛

80 年代末左右, 國內律師事務所開始容許民辦.  
同期大量私人律師事務所建立.  
其中不小國內律師背景雄厚, 多持雙學位或研究生, 甚至博士生資格.
在英, 美名牌大學讀完碩士海歸者更不在小數.
很多原政府機關 (如某某對外第某法律事務所之類) 更是對外經驗豐富, 本身實力超然.

90 年代初, 開始有香港律師係國內開聯絡處.

跟住係分享下同插下:

國內律師的業務並不只限於民刑兩方面, 還有商業, 海事等等, 與國外同行並無顯注分別.  維權, 差唔多所有官司到係維護權架啦.

國內律師除了公檢法的問題外, 往往還受制於地方保護主意.  然而, 近年一批批有能力的律師, 開始玩異地行事, 開始向地方保護主意發起挑戰.

國際合約跟合同 (合約唔同合同) 面對 ge 係國外; 公檢法, 地方保護主意可以有咩關係.

小肥個人意見, 係國內讀 law, 理論基礎會較為扎實.  舉例, 香港有幾多挑他會解釋合約跟合同 ge 分別.

說到制肘, 全世界邊度無, 無論英, 美, 香港; 舉例, 香港有幾多律師肯告銀行.  美國 ... 有無睇過 run away jury 同 midnight express 呀.

說到拼爹, 拼背景, 乜二代; 又邊度會無.

說到背景, 無須多講; 話除左中國, 其他地方無 ge, 小肥只會恭喜你一直生活係個象牙塔裏面.

說到咩大合約唔係國內簽黎證明 d 乜乜物物, 好明顯係低級錯誤.  

第一, 可以證明到 d 乜乜物物呢.  
第二, 係邊度簽約, 用變度法律, 由變度管轄, 係商業決定, 係根據需要甚至宣傳策略決定.  
第三, 識睇會問 ... 合約 ge 適用法律, 管轄排他同最重要係有無仲裁條款.

說到能力, 野雞大學無得講.  

合理 ge 大學本課, 想入都唔係咁容易, 僧多粥少, 拼爹 ... 大把人有個好老竇.  

考律師試個本雞精, 起碼兩本家庭電話電話簿咁厚.  

本科生, 臨尾, 十居其九都重要進行對答.  

還有, 好多二代兼律師唔係得個本科學位 ... 哩樣, 香港落後好多, 起碼澳洲都要雙學位讀, 唔好話花旗個邊勒.

到返下題:

(1) 我想知中國政法係咪好難入 -
小肥會話做下 research 啦, research 係律師基本工作.

(2) 讀完前景如何
小肥會話路係人行出黎 ge, 諱首諱尾點做律師.

(3) 大陸做律師人工又點
小肥會話: 個人能力同客戶質量.  純粹搵錢 ge, 幫屋企攪好間廠, 做個富二代重實在啦.

(4) 因為我唔想去英國讀法律 -
若果係怕離鄉別井 ge - 小肥會話應該志在四方.
若果係語文能力 ge - 小肥會話始終要面對四方.

(5) 而我自己成績就中等
小肥會話諗下有咩理由可以令到人地會收你.

jimbo86 2013-9-28 02:43

說到咩大合約唔係國內簽黎證明 d 乜乜物物, 好明顯係低級錯誤.

sure when it is not your money u don't need to be all that careful. And any lawyer will want more disputes.
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