查看完整版本 : 有在美國讀JD的人可以分享一下經驗嗎?

我做過了一些資料搜集,
分別是在美國和香港讀JD，
但在美國讀JD的多是台灣和內地人，
不知道香港人讀後感覺如何?
尤其是這LSAT這關捱入LAW SCHOOL, 之後佢地仲係用Socratic method，之後到最後考BAR
我原本是傾向搵香港的JD, CPE同LLB的的資料, (我都係想返香港生活)
但有人提我都留意下美國的LAW SCHOOL 因為我依家就係美國, 佢話外國LAW SCHOOL係香港比較吃香。
(工作資格這方面我也已做了資料搜集)
耐何美國的JD實在係太貴!! 仲要讀3年，
真係要放棄好多野!!
我想問下各位, 有冇係美國讀過LAW SCHOOL的? 分享下D經驗? 謝謝!

Socratic method

what is that ah? first time I heard of, pardon my ignorance.
LS in USA has many level too, some are not koshered for state bar, then will be useless to come back to hk.
I read certain bubble LS in calif are eligible for Cal state bar now.
Probably u be easier to come back as lic US lawyer than fight for pcll.
In US there're bar exam admission course, which they help u to pass the state bar.
I heard there is no articling time or serve under as trainee , pupil as in hk system.
U never know u might wanna to settle there after too.
Law grads with lic is not what it used to be , is not a license to print $$ anymore.
u should read up business week, nyt etc. they talked about law grads prospect every so often. Then also depends on how seemart u are.

要入top firm...外國讀機會大好多...當然你要係top school 出嚟...lsat 170 以上就入到...

Socractic method 冇乜大不了...宜家好多都係lecture...同埋你冇做reading 都唔緊要...淨係exam 先計分 (最top 嗰啲school 唔計分添)...

同埋...香港做到死...能夠喺外國做係褔氣...

If you really wanna work in International firm, please at least go to TOP 14 law schools in USA.

as long as u can get into any LS that the state bar allow u to sit for exam u bet u can earn a decent living here.
probably calif has more wild pheasant LS. some are state bar koshered. and u can actually hang your name outside the door.
after a few yrs in practice who cares where u went to LS. U're always as good as your last win.

didn't u went to school this side of the pond?

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要入top firm...外國讀機會大好多...當然你要係top school 出嚟...lsat 170 以上就入到...

Socractic method 冇乜大不了...宜家好多都係lecture...同埋你冇做reading 都唔緊要...淨係exam 先計分 (最top &# ... [/quote]

[quote]原帖由 [i]jimbo86[/i] 於 2014-1-6 12:37 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=378930527&ptid=22813014][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
didn't u went to school this side of the pond?

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其實你講嘢簡短明白就得...仲可能有人答你添...
你講嘢淨係玩埋晒啲謎語...但連最基本文法都錯...令人睇都唔想睇...唔好話答...

我唔話你玩咁多嘢有乜目的...但係講嘢最緊要係溝通...溝通唔到玩乜都冇用...你係有心用人溝通就要諗下點先同到你想溝通嗰個人溝通...如果唔係只可以話唔啱channel搭錯線...可能你自娛自樂咁又唔駛人理...

look i were your deep pocket paying client u probably peeled your ears back and listen with undivided attention.
this day and age can be very hard to tell when is real paying clients and who can advance your career.
perhaps this is the very reason that u have to be here surfing the net instead of running up billable hours or cajoling with clients.

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look I may not sound like knowing what i am doing, at least I don't need to suck up to people everyday.
No need to wake up 6 in the morning to look forward for another tough day.
Lucky u , still have another 30 some yrs of that!
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呢啲就係...膠都費事派...

只能由得佢活喺自己嘅世界...得閒就恥笑吓...恥笑佢冇乜滿足感...只係令唔知情人知道佢同佢講嘅嘢係俾人恥笑...

tell me any of u have a state bar license?
or have been to sea at all.

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please tell me how many times have u set foot on the free world?
I am only 20 mins away by car can even bike there too, but longer times though.
U folks are akin to a visually challenged person describing an elephant.
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[quote]原帖由 [i]jimbo86[/i] 於 2014-1-24 01:01 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=380095732&ptid=22813014][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
please tell me how many times have u set foot on the free world?
I am only 20 mins away by car can even bike there too, but longer times though.
U folks are akin to a visually challenged person de ... [/quote]

你都真係幾好笑...呢喥大把人你自己唔識9up 都唔好當呢喥個個都好似你咁...

yours truly (not really) 都係你所謂美國JD 同唔止一個"state bar license"...

所以一講再講...你自己9up 都唔好當人地9up...咪俾人恥笑囉...

所以話...膠都費事派...

look i have plenty of time to play here, I bet u are either studying or try to build your practice.
it will probably do u a world of good by  putting time into self improvement.
u only need one state bar lic for the state where u wanna to live.
should u have an american lic, u be too busy counting the bills by now.
simply u are not at peace with everything under the sun.

  

[quote]原帖由 [i]kingme[/i] 於 2014-1-24 03:31 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=380098623&ptid=22813014][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


你都真係幾好笑...呢喥大把人你自己唔識9up 都唔好當呢喥個個都好似你咁...

yours truly (not really) 都係你所謂美國JD 同唔止一個"state bar license"...

所以一講再講...你自己9up 都唔好當人地9up...咪 ... [/quote]

或者我可以盡量答下樓主..雖然我只係個1L岩岩讀完一個sem.

我自己之前都掙扎過應該係香港定美國讀JD, 最終個人原因選擇左美國. 個人認為如果只係想入行無話一定要入大firm, 香港係不二之選因為可以做嘅範圍多. 不過前提係要有信心入PCLL. 相反美國你有得讀就基本保證做到律師. 但係要返香港預左只能夠做transactional work.
US JD同白人競爭有難度始終人地用mother tongue. 不過搵工其實有著數. 好多employers會留意到你因為全校大部份人都唔識中文, 而US legal field major trend大行都係做緊outbound investments by Chinese companies. Summer會因為識國語廣東話而有好多機會. Socratic method其實無咩特別有睇case加上你唔係傻既基本都會應付到.

我有時都會諗如果留係香港讀會點點點, 但係認真US JD會比香港JD更universal. 你可以US大陸香港都搵到工. In general 當然最好T14. 不過, 無既話其實tier 1 schools都好好. 最重要係自己Career goal. e.g. 如果做oil and gas去UT Austin好過去 lower T14, 做real estate Florida regional law schools都唔見得會差. 有個朋友T40返左黎喺magic circle firm做緊corporate work.

如果你覺得US JD 3年太長, 你可以諗下HK JD theoretically 2年(可以更長如果你想拎好成績而拉長黎讀) + PCLL 1年 + 2年 training contract/1年 pupillage = 5/4年. US JD 3年考Bar就可以做associate. 鍾意relocate返香港人工照跟美國scale (當然未必話返黎就返黎). 我唔會話邊個route好D因為每個人情況唔一樣.

你有無咩具體問題我可以試下答你?



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[[i] 本帖最後由 thehims 於 2014-1-29 02:26 AM 編輯 [/i]]

almost 10-12 yrs ago, my fnd's son did qualified CA ( canadian ) national exam as top few, may even be the first in BC.  He joined one of the big 4 CA firm.
I was told that they even wanted to groom him to do LS in NY. Is a 2 yrs accelerated program.
It does look enticing, but there is downside one cannot discount it.
What if he didn't pull all straight A in LS, then suddenly he losted his golden boy status.
Same as If u are a Boxing or F1 champion today, should u retire now u always a champ.
But should u lose the next challenge then u not the champ anymore.
Then he is not the numero uno anymore.
He did stayed as a CA till now. His career has not been bad, climbed to the top slowly.
Another famous person deserve to mention is Sergio Marchionne, he's the copo de tutti capi. He is a Canadian now the head of FIAT aka "fix it again tony".
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Marchionne[/url]
Only a few short yrs, he was able to use FIAT to swallow the ailing Chrysler.
Last round I was told that he used Chrysler's money to buy out the employee's pension fund VEBA with Chrysler's money and FIAT controlled Chrysler totally.. Now he FIAT is swimming in money to do things he wanted to do.
To the ones that are still studying u all should emulate what these winners do all day.

[quote]原帖由 [i]thehims[/i] 於 2014-1-28 03:56 PM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=380369258&ptid=22813014][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
或者我可以盡量答下樓主..雖然我只係個1L岩岩讀完一個sem.

我自己之前都掙扎過應該係香港定美國讀JD, 最終個人原因選擇左美國. 個人認為如果只係想入行無話一定要入大firm, 香港係不二之選因為可以做嘅範圍 ... [/quote]

香港人(廣東話)讀US JD 真係冇乜邊幾個...雖然宜家英文普通話行先...但係你係香港人已經夠凸出...

如果可以喺美國做一排再返香港...唔駛諗一定選喺美國讀...

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香港人(廣東話)讀US JD 真係冇乜邊幾個...雖然宜家英文普通話行先...但係你係香港人已經夠凸出...

如果可以喺美國做一排再返香港...唔駛諗一定選喺美國讀... [/quote]
有得必有失. 好多US政府工JUDICIAL CLERKSHIP諗都唔駛諗 ..
不過退一步就算不幸 (或者其實係好事) 入唔到大FIRM做CROSS－BORDER TRANSACTION, 都仲有好多IBANKS GLOBAL COMPLIANCE會對我地有興趣.
太多中資公司搞IPO M＆A. 其實搵工方面都仲算樂觀 (暫時根據我個人經驗黎講).

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not sure how well u hang out with the white boyz. I read your  Presidente was going to be groomed as a Judge too, he did Harvard law review for a while, the rest is history as he has bigger fish to fry.
I never have much problem hanging out among the whites, as just about all my lawyer friends were white, except 1 or 2 are CBCs.
I came here at 17, so I wouldn't say I don't have any accent. None the less whether u specialize in mandarin or compatriots as clients, u still need to convince your white bozz and partners that u speak enough white to be hired in an international firm.
I was told in the hey days Wall st. come north of 49th parallel to look for can law grads after they have exhausted their own selections.
Gary Locke was born in WA .  [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Locke[/url]
he did very well for our kinds.
If u can speak well enough , trial lawyers are not a bad way to print money either.
As many PI cases didn't have to go to court either. As bot sides knew if they are very close on the offer is much easier to settle than to go to court where one can get really burn.
A few big cases did back fired in a gigantic to the scale of Biblical scale.
One was the Getty oil , Pennzoil, Texaco merger  [url]http://www.lawnix.com/cases/texaco-pennzoil.html[/url]
in the end Texaco lost a lot of dough and have to sell the canadian texaco arm to Esso inorder to leave the table gracefully.

Second one was Loewen Funeral home's acquisition of a Southern Funeral chain , when the marriage  didn't consummate, Loewen got sued.
Loewen's lawyers all thought the court would only award a few mil of chump changes. But lo and behold Loewen got cleaned out totally, the big corp's fate was akin to Costa Concordia.
US law can be interpreted as wide as trying to travel into the black hole.
   


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有得必有失. 好多US政府工JUDICIAL CLERKSHIP諗都唔駛諗 ..
不過退一步就算不幸 (或者其實係好事) 入唔到大FIRM做CROSS－BORDER TRANSACTION, 都仲有好多IBANKS GLOBAL COMPLIANCE會對我地有興趣.
太多中資公司 ... [/quote]

[quote]原帖由 [i]jimbo86[/i] 於 2014-1-30 08:26 AM 發表 [url=http://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=380462321&ptid=22813014][img]http://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
not sure how well u hang out with the white boyz. I read your  Presidente was going to be groomed as a Judge too, he did Harvard law review for a while, the rest is history as he has bigger fish to fr ... [/quote]
I see what you are saying. But when I was saying most government jobs/judicial clerkships were out of reach, I was not referring to the problem of language, but citizenship/residency. I just talked to a guy from the IRS last week, and he explicitly told me that most government agencies cannot take international students because they don't sponsor working visas. Gary Locke wouldn't be the best example to pull because he was born and raised in the US, so his career path and experience has only minimal, if any, value for us the international students for the purpose of referncing.

I am not sure if trial lawyers would actually "print money" like what you said. Either you are on billable hours or contingent fees, if you go the settlement route you wouldn't be earning a lot. I could be wrong but for most law students PI job would be their last resort.

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I see what you are saying. But when I was saying most government jobs/judicial clerkships were out of reach, I was not referring to the problem of language, but citizenship/residency. I just talked  ... [/quote]

like i said...if u can work in the us for some time (residency etc.)...us jd is a no brainer...

don't worry about him...he has no idea what he's talking about...probly lost a big case to a pi...

i think u r doing ok...good luck!

.he has no idea what he's talking about...
I only have been residing in British North America for last 40 some yrs. And is only 20 miles away from the north of the 49th parallel.
Unless u have been living here for all that long. I don't think any person with a sound mind would accept what u have said.



probly lost a big case to a pi...

I work with people to recover from ins. PI.
Look whatever legal knowledge u possess is not going to make u a reasonable living.

I suppose u had been here a long time and residency requirement were met. Traditionally most visa students do much better in Sciences as it requires less in engrish writing. Whereas law is totally based on writing eng.
talking about getting US citizenship, the process is quite convoluted. During the application time one cannot leave US at all. i knew a few folks shied away from applying residency in US of A.
The residency part I didn't follow for many yrs now. I used to think moving to south of the border is the end all and be all. Since living here during the 70-80s one do feel a bit of a 2nd class people as compare to US citizens. There were certain attractions.
Their taxes were lower, your own home's mortgage interests can be tax deducted ( can tax law says no dice ), a lot of items including cars were much cheaper as they have 10x of pop as canada.  Another nail added to our coffin is we have to have french written on all product label which added extra costs. Therefore the envy to obtain a green card is there.
Right after I grad I even contemplated of moving to city of angels. Thank God I never went. My bro graduated a decade before was also thinking of moving south to, but being a health profession he will still be on the hook to visit hanoi hilton too.   
30 yrs ago I attended a seminar, they said there're 10,000 people died of gunshot wound. The right to bear arm 1st amendment ( correct me if wong ) can be totally scary.
Should u walked into your neighbour's property and he can shoot u with impunity!
Please don't get me wong, I am not trying to sway anybody to move to US of A.
USA is also the most desirable place to most of our Northern cousins.
And the recent bank troubles of selling ABCP were a total abdicated of responsibilities from the bankers.
Should the GOP got voted in US' economy would have been a tad better than Tonga republik.
General Motors and general Electric narrowly became Guandong motors and Guandong Electric respectively.
Why GM had to file Chpt 11. ? It was a very simple reason, most car owners had been burnt by GM every decade since the 60s.
And their Corvair did jettisoned Ralph Nader to stardom.
There was the vega during early 70s, GM's promise to get into small car market,
and trying to get into diesel sedan market near the latter part of 70s with Olds & Cadillacs.
Both ended in a biblical scale fiasco.
So as the recent time of Obama health care, received a lot of resistance from Drs too.

Nonetheless many folks are still dying to sneak in US literally.
   
   
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I see what you are saying. But when I was saying most government jobs/judicial clerkships were out of reach, I was not referring to the problem of language, but citizenship/residency. I just talked  ... [/quote]

[[i] 本帖最後由 jimbo86 於 2014-1-30 03:59 PM 編輯 [/i]]

There is a special name for PI specialists namely the ambulance chaser.
I knew one nurses that in US hospitals do hang out at hospitals, day day to talk to patients if their treatment were good enough and anything complain the lawyer can recover on their behalf.
During the 70s many Drs had a hard time to make money, since their bulk of income got eaten up by malpractice premium.
I don't know the current situation. Say one Dr made a mistake in a big clinic, the rest of the gang will get served as defendants, since they can sue Joint and several.
many Drs had to move to small town to hide. Some say once the Dr moved across the state line the claim kind of stopped. But I am no expert to claim all these are true and current.
So recent times many drs or professionals do added limited liability partnership, I guess another better way of fire proofing oneself.
  
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I see what you are saying. But when I was saying most government jobs/judicial clerkships were out of reach, I was not referring to the problem of language, but citizenship/residency. I just talked  ... [/quote]