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izumi 2014-1-14 08:37 AM

點改進心態

最近練習七號已經可以打到近一百五十碼,short game自己練習都三putt.但係一企係草就錯晒:fst_013:



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s 2014-1-14 11:34 AM

wow 150 yard 7i is very good, my 7i after many years pratice is only 130 yard average.

心態

from my experience, i have been going to the range for 5 years, goint to a around of 18 every month since 12 months ago.

for me, my 心態 is , serious when practice, just play to have fun when I go to the course, relax, if i get annoyed on the course, I just play worst.

if your long game is already this good, just foucs the short game,  if you want to improve short game for real, best to study on youtube some practice drills, select one or two, go to KSC, spend 3/4 hours doing the drill on the chipping putting green. surely you will improve...

just my personal opinion...

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izumi 2014-1-14 11:39 AM

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Thank you so much for your advices! I totally agreed that we need to be serious on DR practice and go enjoy the game on the green.  You have rightly pointed out my problem that I became frustrated on green when I couldn't handle the game properly.



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s 2014-1-14 11:43 AM

that's what happend to me when i first started, i expect i can hit the same shots from DR.  but the  truth is, on real grass, treal turf, not flat lie, pressure, wind, all add up and means you only can perform 50% of what you think you can.  unless real good player who know excately waht they are doing.  

i used to hate putting, but as i play more rounds ,i start to love practcing it.  its key, 2 putts vs 3/4 putts, absoultely curical for high handicap players.

as for short game, i don't expect to get it very clsoe but my foucs is not make a mess of it, like want to chip it but top the ball and fly it off the green by 10 yards hahaha

izumi 2014-1-14 11:47 AM

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Master S, you sound like my coach at KSC:lDD_001:



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izumi 2014-1-14 11:49 AM

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You are speaking the same language with my coach.  I couldn't  agree more with you.  I think all I need is practice practice and practice.



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izumi 2014-1-14 11:59 AM

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Not everything can hit 150, average is around 120 with i7.  I have learnt to play golf for only five month now and is spending around four hours a week at DR.  I am pretty satisfied with my progress but I need a coach to help me with my formation.



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s 2014-1-14 01:05 PM

yes, becuase this is what every coach i met told me (so far 3) and also when i look back my result, the better my short game that day the better the score, .  i also start learning in KSC.

where you pratice? i go to Cheung Sha Wan regualarly....

without seeing your swing , its hard to tell but i konw a few people, including myself, hit shorter after a while, becuase when you try to contorl/improve your swing, you hit shorter, unless your 150 yard is dead stright or its a low draw, when you start changing your 'shape' u see your distance coming down but it doesn't matter, longer doens't mean better score.  but i think 150 7i is what you need if you want to be hitting in the 80s, i still trying to get there. i mean teh 150 yard....

s 2014-1-14 01:10 PM

talking about putting, you need to find a grip and stroke that fits you.  the game become much more fun after this two are sorted, also the putter is important. not mean need new and expesinve, needs to feel good to you and perform well with your type of stroke.

my current coach looked at me putt for 5 mins then he gave me a new grip adn things just felt much easier, then day 2 he changed my stroke a little bit, now i love to putt, not very good but much much better!  

get a good coach to look at yout putting,  i wasted so much time using my self learn grip and stroke. never got consistent results, wihtout the good grip and storke, you are only putting by luck.........that's what i feel after i learn the grip and stroke...

izumi 2014-1-14 03:09 PM

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At DR, I am doing not bad as I keep reminding myself to relax and concentrate on the rhythm, of course i do sometimes used too much muscle which resulting in a shorter distance.  My Instructor in KSC inspired me and helped to improve my swing a lot.



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izumi 2014-1-14 05:27 PM

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I think I will have to attend a few more course at KSC before I can master putting.



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izumi 2014-1-14 06:33 PM

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I think I will have to attend a few more course at KSC before I can master putting.



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其實我應該換主題「點改進技術」,sorry!



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Pyco 2014-1-15 09:44 PM

因為揮桿未夠熟, 落場只會得返一兩成 - 成功率.  咁係好正常, 慢慢會進步.

所以係 perfect condition, i.e. DR 打十球, 都只有三, 四球可以打得好, 落到場打完18洞, 唔會有多過5桿打得好:smile_44:

izumi 2014-1-15 09:50 PM

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������完全同意前輩所言!繼續努力,盡情享受揮桿嘅樂趣。作為新手前路漫長,前輩多加指導������



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Pyco 2014-1-15 11:36 PM

指導就唔敢, 分享下:smile_13:

係DR 練習時, 都要預計落點, S - 9I 可偏差直徑15yd內, 8-7I (25yd內), 6I-5U (40yd內), 3U - Driver (60yd內).  即打Driver 容許自己左右偏差30yd.  如經常偏向一方, e.g. 向右多, 就唔好固執, 預留左10yd, 右50yd.  諸如此類!

以上已經算係最低要求.  可能有人會問 fairway 都有100-120yd 闊啦, 使唔使只限60yd 內?? 要知道落到場, you don't have second chance!!  every stroke count!!!  除非 fairway 有200yd 闊啦:smile_30: 新手壓力一定好大.  我見過有初打者, first tee 打咗 10 min 都係 air shot, 汗如雨下都打唔中個波.....其實個人自尊係所有壓力嘅來源:smile_34:

當然來亂嘅都唔少, 過猶不及, 兩類 player 都唔會有大進步, 我話嘅:smile_45:

所以係冇壓力嘅 DR 都打唔好......咁點會落場打得好?? 有人又話寓打於練, 依D方法係俾D low handicapper嘅, 新手咪儍啦:smile_30:

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izumi 2014-1-16 10:09 AM

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實在非常同意,應該按照您提議嘅方法多加練習。不過,除咗係DR練,我亦會爭取落場打下。希望可以克服心理障礙。暫時試下9洞尾隊先:fst_013:



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Mizu 2014-1-16 12:44 PM

here's what I usually do.

I'll work on my swing mechanically in the winter.  My golf season is only 6 months long, so from Nov to about March, it's all mechanics.  

Before the season starts I'll get back on short game practice (not that I don't do it in the off season, I just don't do it AS MUCH).  PUtting is weird for me; the more I work on it, the worse I get.  If you're working on mechanics, focus only on mechanics.  When you're working on mechanics, focus on the feel that you want to capture to make the proper move.  DO NOT pause at the top and then look at where your club is either up top or at the mirror, u'r NOT going to feel anything that way.  It needs to be one motion, and you need to find that feel in the motion.  Only then can you correlate feel with ball flight and given time, you can fix your swing as the round goes on.  If you pause mid motion when you practice, you aren't going to feel anything, I'm speaking from my personal experience.  I also like to hit into the wind when I practice; this way the ball is going to exaggerate if you either hook or slice one.

If you're working on mental approach and treating your practice like you're playing, then when you're at the range, you should be playing a round of golf.  

First shot is either driver, or 3 wood.  You pick a target, you designate a fwy width and then you go hit the shot.  Same thing with the approach.  Basically you should be hitting a different club to a different target on every shot, just like you would at the golf course.

No mulligans, even in the driving range.  If you miss the green, work on your pitch shots.  

YOu'll find that you won't need more than 50 balls to get that practice done, but it might take more than an hour.  Every shot needs to be approached like you would on the course; this way when you are out on the course, it won't even be something you think about.  If you want to up the stakes, gamble at the driving range with your friend.  8-10 shots, different flight pattern, different targets, see who can score the best; loser buys dinner or drinks.  Let's say the target is at 170, you have to play either a high cut to get it, or a knockdown that doesn't rise above the second level of the DR.  Stuff like that to keep things fun and not stale.   

When you go play in the start of the season, bring 6 or 7 clubs; and just hit shots.  I did that a few years ago and instead of worrying about yardages, I just hit different shots, and scored way better than any of my other "season opening" rounds.  

Find out what works for you; some ppl think being on the practice green for hours is good practice, I never practice putting without practicing my short game.  It's pitch or chips, and then putt.  One ball, 15 different spots, one hole.  If you can score 30 (basically getting up and down on every spot), you'd be a low single cap already.  I couldn't be bothered practicing putting just on the green; I need the short game to go with it.  

Long game matters more than the short game, let's not kid ourselves.  You aren't going to break 80 if you're hitting 3 off the tee on more than 2 or 3 holes.  Short game is important because it frees up your long game, but w/o a solid long game where you can play one ball for 18 holes, short game doesn't matter.  you still need to get off the tee, you still need to not spray it so far that you can't find it before short game comes into play.

By the way, targets at the DR doesn't always have to be at the flag.  Sometimes it's better to say you want to start it at the 2nd pole, and then curve it back to the green; or you want to start it at the condo in the distance and then hook it around the pole.  This way when you get to the course, you're used to using landmarks to start your ball and see how it flies instead of just focusing on the flag.  Sometimes you want to just land the ball in the front of the green and have it roll to the flag, or sometimes you want to avoid the flag entirely because the pin is a sucker pin where there's no margin for error if you miss that flag.  Don't be trapped into thinking the flag is always the target; no, the flag is just where the hole is ;P.  You want the ball to land at a spot where you give yourself a straight uphill putt for your birdie putt.

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Pyco 2014-1-16 02:59 PM

點樣可以破80,最簡單嘅演繹係有高數值嘅G.I.R.
做成12/18 就好大機會,否則short game 要好好,即 one chip one putt.

依度好多網友都係起步階段,甚至未落過場!要加速進步,除搵教練,多練習,仲要練習得其法。我係依度分享嘅只有一些準則,點樣打係唔能夠紙上談兵,所以我以前都講咗D心法,實際點進行,要睇自己。

若有睇高球賽轉播,常聽到有旁白講什麽high cut,



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izumi 2014-1-16 03:03 PM

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It sounds interesting to practice at DR like a real game. I will try next time after warm up practice.



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Pyco 2014-1-16 03:06 PM

點樣可以破80,最簡單嘅演繹係有高數值嘅G.I.R.
做成12/18 就好大機會,否則short game 要好好,即 one chip one putt.

依度好多網友都係起步階段,甚至未落過場!要加速進步,除搵教練,多練習,仲要練習得其法。我係依度分享嘅只有一些準則,點樣打係唔能夠紙上談兵,所以我以前都講咗D心法,實際點進行,要睇自己。

若有睇高球賽轉播,常聽到有旁白講什麽high cut, high draw, 依D好多都係球手習慣球路使然,approach shot, 都只想打直shot, 因為要控制back spin, 打high draw 或 fade 都會pk,只有唔夠power 即閧球唔夠300yd 嘅球手先會冒險打cut 或 draw! Cut line 係另一樣嘢唔好搞錯。



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Mizu 2014-1-17 01:11 AM

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點樣可以破80,最簡單嘅演繹係有高數值嘅G.I.R.
做成12/18 就好大機會,否則short game 要好好,即 one chip one putt.

依度好多網友都係起步階段,甚至未落過場!要加速進步,除搵教練,多練習,仲 ... [/quote]
Hitting 12 greens a round would almost instantaenously be in the 73-75 range unless you manage to 3 putt another 6 times out of those 12 greens because you're on the wrong tier / shelf / so far away from the hole you might as well be chipping on the green.

Even if you don't get up and down ONCE of the 6 greens you miss, you're only looking at a 78 even if the 12 greens net you ZERO birdies.  

Hitting 12 greens and can't make a bird?  That round will feel like 90 for a player who's capable of hitting 12 out of 18 greens.  Statistically improbable IMO for that to happen.  

My last round I only hit 7 greens out of 18, and 7 out of 14 fwys (@ a 6800 yarder).  Birdie'd every par 5 and just squeezed in under 80.  You do not need to hit 12 greens out of 18 to break 80.

izumi 2014-1-17 11:13 AM

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You guys are pro players but I am only a new kid to the game.  Hahaha for beyond my understanding la:lDD_004:



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izumi 2014-1-17 12:14 PM

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同意,技術重要,心態先至係決勝重點。



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Mizu 2014-1-17 01:49 PM

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You guys are pro players but I am only a new kid to the game.  Hahaha for beyond my understanding la:lDD_004:



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we were all new once.

what i described in my first post, was through trial and error to find the most efficient method for me to take skills from the range to the course.

s 2014-1-17 02:20 PM

thanks everyone's tips.

I wish one day i can break 90s, still a over 100 player......can not imagine how i could hit 8x...wakaakakaa

Pyco 2014-1-17 05:43 PM

考過牌會明白,冇雀就係冇雀!

有D球友打到三隻雀加十個par, 都break 唔到80!



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Pyco 2014-1-17 05:43 PM

考過牌會明白,冇雀就係冇雀!

有D球友打到三隻雀加十個par, 都break 唔到80!



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Pyco 2014-1-17 05:48 PM

打到100, 就想破100,如是者打到80, 就想打七十幾,打到七十幾就想打even! 依個就係打golf 過㽼之處。



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Pyco 2014-1-17 05:55 PM

打到12/18, 破80就變得常規。小弟曾經係樽頸爭扎,越想破就衰last one hole, 整個double 㷛雞。但第一次破80, 反而一隻雀都冇,但冇爆過一個洞,打完先知破咗處;)



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