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黃金工程 2018-6-4 01:16 AM

對於男女以外的人, 英文用甚麼pronouns來表示?

對於男女以外的人, 英文用甚麼pronouns來表示?

外星人(alien), 神(god), 半人獸 / 半獸人(Orc、Ork), 雙性人(Hermaphrodite)等。

hamsterman 2018-6-4 01:38 AM

It’s up to the writer

黃金工程 2018-6-4 01:44 AM

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It’s up to the writer [/quote]
If I am the writer, which pronoun should I use?

norco 2018-6-4 01:52 AM

Quite a touchy subject.
For your reference :
[url=http://web.mit.edu/trans/GenderNeutralPronouns.pdf]http://web.mit.edu/trans/GenderNeutralPronouns.pdf[/url]

hamsterman 2018-6-4 02:04 AM

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If I am the writer, which pronoun should I use? [/quote]

It totally depends on if you want to convey a particular sexual identity to the subject. What pronoun do you use for ET? I would use he because I think of ET as male, but I’m not the writer, maybe the writer prefers it, or she, you’re asking for a general answer on something that is subjective.

hamsterman 2018-6-4 02:07 AM

A transgender person maybe legally a he, but identifies herself as a she; pronoun usage depends on the context.

.kaxka.. 2018-6-4 02:24 AM

Homo 或 queer ok??

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jetflyer 2018-6-4 07:59 AM

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It’s up to the writer [/quote]


Not really. According to Canadian human rights laws, it is depending on the person the speaker or writer refers to. If wrong pronoun is used and the speaker or writer refuses to correct and apologize, s/he can be subjected to criminal prosecution.

hamsterman 2018-6-4 08:05 AM

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Not really. According to Canadian human rights laws, it is depending on the person the speaker or writer refers to. If wrong pronoun is used and the speaker or writer refuses to correct and apologi ... [/quote]

It is still up to the writer to choose. Whether he suffers any consequences to his writing is a different matter. There are plenty of authors who write inflammatory pieces. I think the OP is asking about grammatical pronoun usage, not legal ramifications.

jetflyer 2018-6-4 08:25 AM

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It is still up to the writer to choose. Whether he suffers any consequences to his writing is a different matter. There are plenty of authors who write inflammatory pieces. I think the OP is askin ... [/quote]


If talking about grammatical, then, it isn't up to the individual writers either. Only she, he and they can be used.

hamsterman 2018-6-4 08:26 AM

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If talking about grammatical, then, it isn't up to the individual writers either. Only she, he and they can be used. [/quote]

Read my ET comment

jetflyer 2018-6-4 08:36 AM

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Read my ET comment [/quote]


I understand that. Almost all pet owners use she or he to refer to their cat, dog or other animals. That's certainly understandable but is that grammatically correct?

.kaxka.. 2018-6-4 08:40 AM

Isn’t Mx the new honorific for genderless person?

same-same 2018-6-4 01:10 PM

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Read my ET comment [/quote]
Find me an ET who would object to being called he she or it...

krzys995x8 2018-6-4 09:54 PM

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I understand that. Almost all pet owners use she or he to refer to their cat, dog or other animals. That's certainly understandable but is that grammatically correct? [/quote]

But these Pet you referred are indeed gender specific.

jetflyer 2018-6-4 11:01 PM

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But these Pet you referred are indeed gender specific. [/quote]


You are right. So?

jetflyer 2018-6-5 12:04 PM

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But these Pet you referred are indeed gender specific. [/quote]


One more point. Pets can be gender specific but human beings can't unless you have the consent of the person you are referring to. If not, you might violate the human rights codes in some jurisdictions in North America. :smile_35::smile_35:

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krzys995x8 2018-6-7 09:56 AM

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One more point. Pets can be gender specific but human beings can't unless you have the consent of the person you are referring to. If not, you might violate the human rights codes in some jurisdict ... [/quote]

It is no violation of human right code. I don't believe that there is law for that just yet . You might piss off the subject at most.

jetflyer 2018-6-7 12:55 PM

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It is no violation of human right code. I don't believe that there is law for that just yet . You might piss off the subject at most. [/quote]


Maybe I misunderstood as I ain't a lawyer. You might want to check out Canadian federal legislation bill C-16 and Ontario Provincial Haman Rights Code.

ggagag 2018-6-8 04:16 PM

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對於男女以外的人, 英文用甚麼pronouns來表示?

外星人(alien), 神(god), 半人獸 / 半獸人(Orc、Ork), 雙性人(Hermaphrodite)等。 [/quote]
unisex

krzys995x8 2018-6-8 09:05 PM

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Maybe I misunderstood as I ain't a lawyer. You might want to check out Canadian federal legislation bill C-16 and Ontario Provincial Haman Rights Code. [/quote]

Maybe I misunderstood them as I am not a lawyer. However, I don't think that these are law yet but just proposal at this point. You might want to re-read them carefully.

jetflyer 2018-6-8 09:52 PM

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Maybe I misunderstood them as I am not a lawyer. However, I don't think that these are law yet but just proposal at this point. You might want to re-read them carefully. [/quote]


Yes, you misunderstood. According to Wikipedia, Canadian federal legislation Bill C 16 received Royal Accent in 2017.  Ontario. Human Rights Code has even longer history.
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