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jm350 2018-7-24 01:39 PM

這零件有甚麽用

[align=left]這零件是裝在E91內, 車買回來己有.  請各Ching告知是甚麽作用及怎樣拆除.  Thanks![/align]

mugqq 2018-7-24 08:44 PM

偈油廢氣回收壺, 要拆就要配返條原廠回油喉先有得攪

yeukfung 2018-7-25 12:15 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]mugqq[/i] 於 2018-7-24 08:44 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484340235&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
偈油廢氣回收壺, 要拆就要配返條原廠回油喉先有得攪 [/quote]

我睇唔清楚佢下边D英文。。。我又唔識睇日文..

E90 N-Series 既油氣分隔應該係落VALVE COVER,但個嘴响VALVE COVER 尾(近駕駛倉方向), 果件野响車頭水箱附近,見佢個駁法唔似去油氣果頭...

yeukfung 2018-7-25 12:18 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jm350[/i] 於 2018-7-24 01:39 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484319577&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
這零件是裝在E91內, 車買回來己有.  請各Ching告知是甚麽作用及怎樣拆除.  Thanks! [/quote]

小弟未見過呢件東西...

你要影埋D喉接口既位,接左去邊個地方,有多D資料會易估呢件是什麼..

bbq323 2018-7-25 05:10 AM

可能是一個大陸造,但又扮日本野既超級省油裝置:smile_30:用咗佢可以省油三成,馬力加強四成,雀屎變超跑:smile_30:

jm350 2018-7-25 09:53 AM

可能係, 所以想拆咗佢.

有一段喉是一路伸去引擎後而另一段在大燈後及向下.  個件下面印咗 ENGINE RENEW INNSTRUMENT.

skikk2 2018-7-25 11:15 AM

樓主架E91係咪行direct injection?

jm350 2018-7-25 11:47 AM

不清楚.

yeukfung 2018-7-25 11:55 AM

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可能係, 所以想拆咗佢.

有一段喉是一路伸去引擎後而另一段在大燈後及向下.  個件下面印咗 ENGINE RENEW INNSTRUMENT. [/quote]

我都係睇唔穿呢個係乜東西...

最近似可能係呢個。。。但唔清楚個運作原理..
[url]http://www.mpmfgltd.com/our-product-2/smart-power-engine-regeneration-device/[/url]

yeukfung 2018-7-25 11:57 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]skikk2[/i] 於 2018-7-25 11:15 AM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484377864&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
樓主架E91係咪行direct injection? [/quote]

我望佢個倉唔太似行直噴

skikk2 2018-7-25 12:04 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jm350[/i] 於 2018-7-25 09:53 AM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484372099&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
可能係, 所以想拆咗佢.

有一段喉是一路伸去引擎後而另一段在大燈後及向下.  個件下面印咗 ENGINE RENEW INNSTRUMENT. [/quote]


有D似係oil catch can, 喉一邊入嘩佬冚,一邊入生氣...??
[attach]8573228[/attach]

yeukfung 2018-7-25 12:08 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jm350[/i] 於 2018-7-24 01:39 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484319577&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
這零件是裝在E91內, 車買回來己有.  請各Ching告知是甚麽作用及怎樣拆除.  Thanks! [/quote]
[attach]8573235[/attach]

雖然唔係相同產品,但若果估佢地相似的話,呢件東西可能同HHO 無異,供H2  及 O2 幫助燃燒, HHO 就會用電解方法去處理,但我唔見你件東西有駁電,咁可能用化學原理,實際上點運作真係唔太清楚,同埋會唔會已經無晒功效了, 因為CHEMICAL都會有用完的一天...?

要拆及還原就好容易, 對番邊條喉,無左既去湯車場搵或自制...

fung2002 2018-7-25 12:40 PM

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有D似係oil catch can, 喉一邊入嘩佬冚,一邊入生氣...??
8573228 [/quote]

加大左入氣量?

jm350 2018-7-25 01:39 PM

車係2010製, 件就不知幾時裝.  我見到VW2.0T都有一個原裝黑色圓筒D喉的走法相似.
多謝各位Ching資料.

skikk2 2018-7-25 02:45 PM

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加大左入氣量? [/quote]


oil catch tank係隔咗D喺PCV嘩佬回輸油氣嘅油屎,唔會加大左入氣量…
睇埋12樓知料,好可能E個裝置除咗隔油氣,仲會用化學方法加H2、O2增加燃燒?

Oil catch tank設計原意係針對GDI直噴引擎喺生氣嘩嘅油屎問題…

[[i] 本帖最後由 skikk2 於 2018-7-25 03:32 PM 編輯 [/i]]

skikk2 2018-7-25 05:17 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jm350[/i] 於 2018-7-25 01:39 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484387389&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
車係2010製, 件就不知幾時裝.  我見到VW2.0T都有一個原裝黑色圓筒D喉的走法相似.
多謝各位Ching資料. [/quote]

"Have you had a shop tell you that carbon build up in your engine is causing cold start misfires or other issues?  This video will offer you insight as to [color=#ff0000]why direct injections have problems with carbon[/color], as well as solutions for cleaning the carbon off the valves. [color=#ff0000]The solutions include Catch Cans (Preventative)[/color], Manual Valve Cleaning as well as Soda and Walnut Blasting. In this video we have [color=#ff0000]examples of how the PCV system works on VW and Audi 2.0T TSI engines[/color].  We also have included some examples of carbon build up at 33K miles and 75K miles.  This was done in an effort to give everyone a complete understanding of why your car might have a carbon issue... "
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS8riAae_bM[/url]

jm350 2018-7-26 12:29 PM

More photo.

s2379hk 2018-7-31 10:45 PM

兄師應該係同一樣嘢
[url]https://www.facebook.com/paccenterhk/videos/1737573276270944/?t=4[/url]

jm350 2018-8-1 01:53 PM

I think so, thanks for the info.

skikk2 2018-8-1 04:40 PM

請問樓主衣件嘢係咪拆咗?
係咪拆咗仲好?

skikk2 2018-8-1 05:09 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]jm350[/i] 於 2018-7-26 12:29 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484447017&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
More photo. [/quote]


睇埋嚟張相,應該係果啲HHO oxyhydrogen装置…

yeukfung 2018-8-1 07:16 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]s2379hk[/i] 於 2018-7-31 10:45 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484757560&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
兄師應該係同一樣嘢
[url=https://www.facebook.com/paccenterhk/videos/1737573276270944/?t=4]https://www.facebook.com/paccenterhk/videos/1737573276270944/?t=4[/url] [/quote]

有無人知呢件東西點運作?

我睇左好耐,呢間公司响科學園研究,應該係日本技術,全名叫UFB Ultra Fine Bubble...

果支水應該係水來的,但入邊裝住既就係成千上萬的ultra fine bubble... 有H2 及 O2 的氣泡,數量應該好多...

但我諗唔明佢點運作.... 當佢用ENGINE VACUMM 來吸取保存於水的可燃氣體,入到ENGINE咁就一定會燃燒得好D,轉數越高就吸力越大 ...

若果係咁樣運作,咁存左响水內的H2 及O2 咪好快用晒,到時要走去加果隻專用水,好似加油咁???

jm350 2018-8-2 01:49 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]skikk2[/i] 於 2018-8-1 04:40 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484795402&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
請問樓主衣件嘢係咪拆咗?
係咪拆咗仲好? [/quote]
未呀, 要找車房攪.

skikk2 2018-8-3 06:49 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]yeukfung[/i] 於 2018-8-1 07:16 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484804405&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


有無人知呢件東西點運作?

我睇左好耐,呢間公司响科學園研究,應該係日本技術,全名叫UFB Ultra Fine Bubble...

果支水應該係水來的,但入邊裝住既就係成千上萬的ultra fine bubble... 有H2 及 O2 的氣泡,數量應該好多...

但我諗唔明佢點運作.... 當佢用ENGINE VACUMM 來吸取保存於水的可燃氣體,入到ENGINE咁 ... [/quote]


我都唔明啊,加咗H2、02入生氣,架車電腦點知點樣調交新嘅空燃比…??:smile_41::smile_41:

yeukfung 2018-8-3 09:26 PM

[quote]原帖由 [i]skikk2[/i] 於 2018-8-3 06:49 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484924692&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]



我都唔明啊,加咗H2、02入生氣,架車電腦點知點樣調交新嘅空燃比…??:smile_41::smile_41: [/quote]

其實呢個有段故,响大概兩三年前,香港有一部CIVIC 係>><<5 度寫HYBRID,但年份係2000 年,仲要果時開價兩萬,我睇左一陣發現果位師兄原來研發左HHO,用5AMP電流去分解水,分出來的O2 及H2就送去車頭生氣批增加燃燒質數。

果時我去左試左一陣車,部車唔覺好力,踏都唔去,我問佢點解,佢話呢D東西係幫助燃燒,佢個空燃比無變,但因為多左一D 外來的可燃空氣,所以電腦會供少D油去對應空燃比。。。 所以理論上會省油左。。

但好多網友話省左既油都唔夠比番打南磨發電,所以網上評論用電解做的HHO都係好壞參半。

可能係咁就出現在呢個方案,將H2 及O2 用UFB 既方法儲存落水度掛...

但最近開始研究O2 時,發現原來H2O/COOLANT 水對O2 sensor 不利... 好多時出邊成日話氫氧洗偈... 燃燒過程會產生好多水氣, 玩得多會影響O2 sensor 既反應...

skikk2 2018-8-4 12:04 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]yeukfung[/i] 於 2018-8-3 09:26 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484931964&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]


其實呢個有段故,响大概兩三年前,香港有一部CIVIC 係>> [/quote]


等我再諗吓先…
無論果啲H2、02喺生氣邊個位入,無外乎經過MAF, Throttle position, MAP 衣啲sensors, 佢哋都係量度空氣流量同壓力,最後電腦調較最好嘅空燃比,衣啲sensor根本唔會辨別H2同02,所以電腦程式只係當係大氣(i.e.21% 02) 根本唔知裏面加咗H2、02,所以我估計電腦程式根本唔會識得佢調lean個空燃比!?

yeukfung 2018-8-4 07:45 AM

[quote]原帖由 [i]skikk2[/i] 於 2018-8-4 12:04 AM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=484939950&ptid=27598792][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]



等我再諗吓先…
無論果啲H2、02喺生氣邊個位入,無外乎經過MAF, Throttle position, MAP 衣啲sensors, 佢哋都係量度空氣流量同壓力,最後電腦調較最好嘅空燃比,衣啲sensor根本唔會辨別H2同02,所以電腦程式只係當係大氣(i.e.21% 02) 根本唔知裏面加咗H2、02,所以我估計電腦程式根本唔會識得佢調lean個空燃比!? ... [/quote]


應該最後以o2 為準....

what I learn so far, may be newer car isn't work like this, but most of the car with o2 should somewhat similar to the logics

1) when the car in OPEN loop, which means everything isn't warm up, all the combustion data is from the pre-defined mapping stored in DME (they splitted in 3 category, idle map, partial load map, full load map)

2) once the car enters CLOSED loop, which means all the sensors (MAF/MAP/O2, etc) are in duty, feed back the status back to DME for better combustion...

3) DME will monitor the quality of combustion via checking the oxygen level in the exhausted gases via o2 sensor for each cylinder and thus why it's able to detect which cylinder is actually misfire

4) then DME will adjust the fuel trim if it detects too much fuel (since o2 and h2 gas take precedent in burning, i assume) in exhaust gas, then it will decrease the fuel and adapt the actual change..
so the fuel trim will eventually decrease, means less fuel is required to maintain the 14.7:1 air fuel ratio..


if the o2 sensor is disconnected/broken, DME will fallback to take the MAF and MAP reading to calculate air fuel ratio, that's why c-hing's assumption, which i agreed, the DME may not know the quality of combustion which unable to adjust fuel for the H2 and O2 gases.

[[i] 本帖最後由 yeukfung 於 2018-8-4 08:50 AM 編輯 [/i]]

skikk2 2018-8-4 11:04 PM

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應該最後以o2 為準....

what I learn so far, may be newer car isn't work like this, but most of the car with o2 should somewhat similar to the logics

1) when the car in OPEN loop, which means every ... [/quote]
Thank you c-hing for sharing.  It leads me to a better understanding about the role of O2 sensors and why they are deployed to test O2 level in the exhaust.

It is interesting to know that water can damage O2 sensors.  In other words, these HHO oxyhydrogen devices will tend to damage O2 sensors (H2 burns in O2 to form H2O) ?!


And I should consider replacing the O2 sensors well before 100,000 km ... :loveliness:

yeukfung 2018-8-4 11:55 PM

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Thank you c-hing for sharing.  It leads me to a better understanding about the role of O2 sensors and why they are deployed to test O2 level in the exhaust.

It is interesting to know that water c ... [/quote]

For the O2 sensor, it's good to change in 100,000km interval, or at least take out and see how it burns, if everything looks good, then we may not need to change at all...  

it will degrade overtime... so depends on the price... for the O2 sensor in BMW E90, it's pretty cheap.. just around 5xx each.... while comparing to my honda, it cost 16xx each... very expensive...

and below is the fault symptoms from denso:

[attach]8617711[/attach]

[url]http://www.denso-am.eu/media/102388/dels14-0001.pdf[/url]
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