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DepressedLaw 2021-7-16 21:40

Hi all
I a first year trainee at an international firm (tier 3/4 legal 500/IFLR). I enjoyed my rotations so far, but will be put into IPO next for a year. I heard horror stories about how terrible people there are, how bad the hours is and how you basically learn nothing.
What is the realistic prospect of switching my TC to another firm? I don't mind redoing the 2 years as long as it is solid work and learning at a good international firm? Heard a top US firm is hiring trainee off market this year, anyone heard anything too?

I'm not learning much now, all the work is boring or they just don't give important work to trainees. I am Singaporean so I even moved to HK for the job. Now I regret it, what should I do?

Thanks, appreciate any advice.

望見大OL 2021-7-17 01:11

[quote]原帖由 [i]DepressedLaw[/i] 於 2021-7-16 09:40 PM 發表 [url=https://www.discuss.com.hk/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=538028595&ptid=30053465][img]https://www.discuss.com.hk/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
Hi all
I a first year trainee at an international firm (tier 3/4 legal 500/IFLR). I enjoyed my rotations so far, but will be put into IPO next for a year. I heard horror stories about how terrible p ... [/quote]
Perhaps you can share with us more on what you expect to learn and what makes you feel bored. You mentioned you are satisfied with the rotation offered by your firm. That sounds great, isn’t it?

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DepressedLaw 2021-7-17 15:03

Re asking recruiter - I actually asked because I am qualified in another common law jurisdiction so it is easy for me to switch to a NQ banking role for example, but they said that finishing the TC would be better for my long term career and it would be hard for them to sell me to the new employer since it is hard to answer the question of "why don't you finish your TC" without sh*tting on your former employer, so kinda lost

DepressedLaw 2021-7-17 15:09

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Perhaps you can share with us more on what you expect to learn and what makes you feel bored. You mentioned you are satisfied with the rotation offered by your firm. That sounds great, isn’t it? [/quote]
I guess I expected more substantive work, involvement/exposure and structured training.

I enjoy the people I worked with for the first two rotations, they are very diligent and smart and I learnt a lot through just talking to them - my first rotation's partner has also already said I am welcome to qualified there.
However, the exposure that I've been getting is very limited. My transactional seat doesn't really let any trainees do important work but signature pages and renaming docs etc, maybe occasional drafting if there is an opportunity. I have nothing to do 50% of my time there. For my disputes seat, no one seems to really know what is going on and we are "taught" by the other side on what is the correct thing to do most of the time, so as a junior you really don't know if you are doping the right thing.

I also don't know if I want to do a year of capital markets and whether that would be good for my career - from the previous trainees that rotated there, heard that you get 0 guidance and I see them pulling all nighters or sleeping 10 hours in aggregate a week. Partners are mean and toxic, a lot of high level politics and they screw trainees over if they don't like them. They are also very arrogant and does not take in advice. I really don't know if that is the life I want especially if I think I would hate IPO.

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LLL817 2021-9-23 12:42

I once tried to reply this post, but do not know why finally my post didn't publish...

In any event, unless it is so "necessary" (due to disaster situation or so ... ), personally I would not suggest trainees to change their articleship, but they may choose to apply for AS in other firms after their completion of articleship.

好多人 2021-10-5 02:10

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I guess I expected more substantive work, involvement/exposure and structured training.

I enjoy the people I worked with for the first two rotations, they are very diligent and smart and I learnt ... [/quote]
I still vividly remember my traineeship days, where I thought to myself, “what the heck am I doing here running redlines and pushing papers?”

You seem to be the kind of guy who has high standards for himself and wants to cash in on the promises that Law Firm marketing materials sold you, “exciting work, headline deals and intellectual stimulation” etc.

Not all hopes are lost! First of all, congratulations on getting your foot in the door, i.e. being a trainee at an international firm, regardless of how cynical you can be about this.

Secondly, great to know that you at least got to experience both transactional and litigation work. Lord knows there are actually local firm trainees or even corporate-heavy U.S. firm trainees - who have never touched a deal document or who have never uttered a word before a judge in court (as the case may be).

Now, you have described your past experiences in transactional seat and litigation seat to be mundane and/or technicality in lacking. However, you are terrified by the fact that you are going to be thrown into the deep end at IPO. Fair to say, every sane trainee wishes to strike that fine balance where he/she gets to do real work / high quality work but at the same time receives enough guidance from seniors.

I would like to acknowledge your crave for quality work. How can someone feel the adrenaline rush and intellectual stimulation of a banking transaction, if all he or she does is only running comparisons and entering comments, without the taste of structuring the deal, drafting the facilities agreement and negotiating key legal terms with counter parties? How can someone say that litigation is definitely not his or her cup of tea, if he or she hasn’t even graced the court rooms of Hong Kong and advocate against local firm partners?

As your recruiters may have advised you, switching international firm during a training contract is extremely difficult and not appealing to future employers. I am not saying that it has never been done before, in fact I have witnessed a friend doing so.

I guess your heart is not with your current firm, so there is no point in me telling you not to look elsewhere. Do your current job properly, and secretly look for training contracts elsewhere.

If you don’t manage to move elsewhere, then make the most out of your IPO experiences. When you reach NQ level, you can go to greener pastures with your chosen practice area.

Wish you all the best mate! :smile_38:

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johncheung7777 2022-8-13 15:30

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I still vividly remember my traineeship days, where I thought to myself, “what the heck am I doing here running redlines and pushing papers?”

You seem to be the kind of guy who has high standards fo ... [/quote]
make the long stories short, go back to sg
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