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fb1713c67802fa 2022-3-26 20:36

各位你地好... 因為要湊仔,放低咗支oboe好幾年。以前reed靠老師,但係現在只可以靠自己...

係淘寶見到好多reed賣,膽粗粗搵咗好幾檔嚟試,搵到一檔質量好好... 但係吹高音時,硬係覺得偏低,要稍為收緊embouchure同多用力,音高至會正常...

唔知呢度有無高人有自己調整oboe reed?好似我以上嘅情況,應該如何處理?有無可能自己削reed嚟調整?

現在用medium硬度嘅reed嚟練習長音,練習歌仔時會用medium soft/soft嘅reed嚟吹。暫時只能應付到短嘅歌仔。始終換氣都唔係好順暢....

人弓火木 2022-3-27 02:12

見GOOGLE 都有修SAX REED既文章. 會圖文並茂講修邊個位置係高音中音低音. 
OBOE 應該都有. 
或者搵之前既老師補返一堂修REED囉. 都係專門知識來的.



我好懶. 用膠片唔駛理咁多...

oboe_bassoon_hk 2022-4-2 03:38

If your high register was flat, that means you didn’t give enough air speed.  Your reed was probably designed correctly.  I think it is better to learn to play with it than to adjust it.  If you adjust the reed to make the high range easier, it will affect the tone and the dynamic possibilities.

fb1713c67802fa 2022-4-5 11:15

如你所講,每日我都用大槪15分鐘吹長音同scale嚟適應支reed,過咗10日,現在高音準確咗。

都想請問你,咩情況下至會考慮用46mm或更短staple?我現在用嘅係47mm係咪最標準嘅staple?

以前想現成買支正常嘅reed真係好困難.... 現在簡單咗,但係唔識調整支reed都係要靠別人.... 要學好oboe真係好煩.....

oboe_bassoon_hk 2022-4-5 16:23

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如你所講,每日我都用大槪15分鐘吹長音同scale嚟適應支reed,過咗10日,現在高音準確咗。

都想請問你,咩情況下至會考慮用46mm或更短staple?我現在用嘅係47mm係咪最標準嘅staple?

以前想現成買支正常嘅reed真係好困難.... 現在簡單咗,但係唔識調整支reed都係要靠別人.... 要學好oboe真係好煩..... [/quote]
If you need to play at a higher pitch (E.g. A-443) you use a 46mm staple.  Otherwise 47mm is the standard.

oboe_bassoon_hk 2022-4-5 23:17

When I studied with Hansjörg Schellenberger, Principal Oboist of the Berlin Philharmonic under Karajan and Abbado, he would try his students’ oboes and reeds.  I remember him playing a quick octave from the low A to the high A, to test the setup’s response, and afterwards he would play mostly in tune on a completely foreign oboe and reed.

fb1713c67802fa 2022-4-6 12:58

當年我老師都係用呢個方法,親自試我啲reed然後調整完叫我再試.... 雖然洗過不過其實都幾核突...... 不過除咗咁真係都唔知點至調整到適合我用.... 為著學生不斷咁交換口水,現在諗返都好感謝佢,只可惜我不材學得唔好.....

fb1713c67802fa 2022-4-14 08:58

一次過買咗幾支reeds嚟練習, 4xmedium soft + 2x medium...都係47mm哨座,硬度還以接受,不過開口位置有啲參差...吹落感覺各有不同,不過只係吹咗幾次,所以相信仲要啲時間至會break in。

要練好oboe... 單係要克服reeds呢一關已經夠煩....


過去三個月基本上只係吹長音,單用reed吹幾個唔同嘅tones,又或用埋支管嚟吹.... 可能用嘅reed夠軟,現在個embouchure起碼唔會好似過去咁,咬到口唇流血咁滯... 不過始終都係協調唔到呼吸。


現在搵咗份Hinke Elementary嚟練習... bpm set 60~72,啲1/4 rest都還好,但係一見到1/8 嘅rest就呼吸失控.... 氣呼出後embouchure差少少至到位,搞到拖慢咗少少至入到下一個passage....

以下連結為reeds的相片...
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人弓火木 2022-4-14 10:26

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一次過買咗幾支reeds嚟練習, 4xmedium soft + 2x medium...都係47mm哨座,硬度還以接受,不過開口位置有啲參差...吹落感覺各有不同,不過只係吹咗幾次,所以相信仲要啲時間至會break in。

要練好oboe... 單係要克服reeds呢一關已經夠煩....


過去三個月基本上只係吹長音,單用reed吹幾個唔同嘅tones,又或用埋支管嚟吹.... 可 ... [/quote]
長知識, 原來每片OBOE REED 都由咁多部分組成.
咁一片通常可以用倒幾耐??

SAX 都係一樣. 唇用力就係錯.
用左好多時間去改. 但而家吹高音都仍會不自覺大力左.

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oboe_bassoon_hk 2022-4-15 22:16

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一次過買咗幾支reeds嚟練習, 4xmedium soft + 2x medium...都係47mm哨座,硬度還以接受,不過開口位置有啲參差...吹落感覺各有不同,不過只係吹咗幾次,所以相信仲要啲時間至會break in。

要練好oboe... 單係要克服reeds呢一關已經夠煩....


過去三個月基本上只係吹長音,單用reed吹幾個唔同嘅tones,又或用埋支管嚟吹.... 可 ... [/quote]
I have never bled from playing oboe.  I don’t recall any of my students bleeding from playing oboe either.  You must have done something not right.

fb1713c67802fa 2022-4-16 15:19

所以現在諗返….以前吹時下唇同支reed含得太入,用唔到嘴角兩端度力向內收,嚟鉗住支reed… 當年同我一齊學有一個都係咁….結果我地吹無幾耐就無力,變成用牙咬…跟住啲聲就扁哂,個reed開口就越嚟越細…變相就要再大力啲吹….然後肺部壓力就更大….最後惡性循環,完全失控…


我期間重新練過好多次都跌入呢個循環….無法unlearn


今次重新上路,不斷提自己:個嘴唔好太用力,用氣控制音準….同埋單用reed練長音,唔用手揸reed… 情況似乎有唔同…


現在吹長音同scales比以前持久咗好多,起碼連吹2個octaves 4, 5次都無乜問題,加上用嘅reed偏軟,感覺好咗好多….希望今次能夠步入正軌…

fb1713c67802fa 2022-4-16 17:28

發神經摷返10年前用過嘅reed出嚟玩.... 突然發覺一切都變得輕鬆容易....

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當年無reed用,只有大行有reed賣,膽粗粗買咗支medium嚟用.... 根本就吹唔郁,吹得響都完全無法控制。老師於是幫我修得好薄.... 今日再吹時感覺同當年完全唔一樣.... 只能話當年實在太蠢,有人教埋都吹唔好,同期有好多一齊學嘅小朋友都已經吹緊Vivaldi嘅協奏曲....咁就十幾年... 人生有幾多個十年.....:smile_39:

Reed放十幾年是會發霉的.... 不過keep起可以用嚟練刀法.... 所以至保留至今....

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